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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1819807)

i agree. same goes for hunting.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1819813)

I'll be sure to eat you after your murder.. I mean after I hunt you. That makes me innocent right? Surely, justified at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1819814)

lmao

Dumb vegans.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1819813)

I'll be sure to eat you after your murder.. I mean after I hunt you. That makes me innocent right? Surely, justified at the very least.

I would prefer that to you being wasteful.

im not a vegan i was laughing at him

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1819822)

im not a vegan i was laughing at him

No ****, retard.

I have no counter if you simply do not care.. If you ever want to shut a vegan down just say "I don't care", they'll probably find you disgusting but they'll have nothing to argue back with.

I will say though that I grew up with Uncles who lived for fishing and used to take me. A lot of hunters in my family as well, but that didn't prevent me from eventually forming my own opinions.

I don't mind being your punching bag.. joke away, I can take it. Assholes :D

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1819825)

Does the fact that fish don't feel pain count for anything? I ask because I draw the line at hunting for sport (as opposed to hunting for nourishement) because you can't throw a dead deer back in the water.

Also I thought that you were a vegan because of the meat industry's standards. Tsk tsk I think there's more to it.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1819825)

I have no counter if you simply do not care.. If you ever want to shut a vegan down just say "I don't care", they'll probably find you disgusting but they'll have nothing to argue back with.

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I will say though that I grew up with Uncles who lived for fishing and used to take me. A lot of hunters in my family as well, but that didn't prevent me from eventually forming my own opinions.

I've never been, and will never be about hunting (even though I have an uncle who probably would have loved to take me). I always do catch and release too. I'd feel bad if I caught a fish and ate it. But hunting is a bigger thing to me, just as stepping on a spider is bigger than eating a fish. "Higher" life forms, such as deer, rabbits, and bears, "deserve" more consideration than fish, just as spiders deserve more consideration than amoebas. To some extent it might be illogical, but to some extent treating fish equally to deer is illogical as far as I'm concerned.

But yeah I'd never go hunting. Not in a million years. Regardless of what rational moral reasons I could use, I'd just feel like a monster for shooting a deer. I understand why people do it, and I understand why it means something else to them than it does to me, so I don't judge, but it's not for me.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1819829)

I'm working my way towards it for ALL animal rights.. the meat industry just happens to be the thing I find the most disgusting, but really I'm just against unnecessary killing/harm of any kind (and strongly against pet owning/breeding as well).

It doesn't really count for anything to me, but I can at least empathize with those who use that as kind of the deciding factor. I really just don't see the point of taking a life when there are other options for nourishment that cause less harm.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1819833)

I'm totally fine with that. Our positions are simply incompatible and there's nothing to be done but agreeing to disagree. I still enjoy tormenting you with tales of delicious, rare, bloody burgers and how they end up as diarrhea in my toilet though.

I've never been, and will never be about hunting (even though I have an uncle who probably would have loved to take me). I always do catch and release too. I'd feel bad if I caught a fish and ate it. But hunting is a bigger thing to me, just as stepping on a spider is bigger than eating a fish. "Higher" life forms, such as deer, rabbits, and bears, "deserve" more consideration than fish, just as spiders deserve more consideration than amoebas. To some extent it might be illogical, but to some extent treating fish equally to deer is illogical as far as I'm concerned.

But yeah I'd never go hunting. Not in a million years. Regardless of what rational moral reasons I could use, I'd just feel like a monster for shooting a deer. I understand why people do it, and I understand why it means something else to them than it does to me, so I don't judge, but it's not for me.

Stocked fish aside.. Most fish are more important to their ecosystems than deer. Deer are actually somewhat of a pest, so it's hard to agree with your thinking (if we are going to take special consideration based on some ranking system surely it should be based around ecology and not arbitrary human perception). And I can still appreciate delicious animal food, I just try not to indulge anymore.

i see fishing and hunting as way less serve than the meat industry. i would much rather eat a deer or a fish that i killed myself than a pig who spent his entire life covered in **** being pumped full of steroids and who knows what else just to be killed.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1819834)

The concept of life itself is arbitrary though. Should a virus or an amoeba be equal to a human or a chimp or a dolphin? At a certain evolutionary point it's basically just a mindless biological engine. I guess the ability to feel pain might be a decent divider, but at what point does an organism's ability to feel pain translate into legitimate suffering and not just plain stimulae?

I'm not arguing against veganism or vegetarianism btw, just against the idea, either explicit or implicit, of life being sacred. I mean, at the end of the day we're all just the emergent process of a few billion cells without consciousness of their own.