Classical Music. Why does it get so much credit?
 

First off, i'm not trying to get anyone here to hate me, this is just an opinion.

Why do so many people consider classical music to be so great? It seems like everyone gives a ton of credit to older music, like metallica, led zepplin, black sabbath etc. But i don't see what is so good about it. Yeah, it is good music don't get me wrong, but i don't see how anyone can stand to listen to a whole sabbath album and say it is freakin EPIC. Yeah, everyone has different tastes, but for kids like myself who weren't around in that era of music, since the style has changed drastically, i just can't see why so many people like it so much.

Personally, i think most classical music is good, but i don't consider it great anymore. Maybe 15 years ago it would fly, but now days it just sounds so boring.

You just answered your own question.

Oh wow, Led Zeppelin > You.

A lot of the groups of today would be nothing without the influence of classic bands.

You don't have to be alive in a certain era to like the music so that's a pretty stupid thing to say. A lot of older music is better than what we have to hear today. Just think about it. There were no Jonas Brothers back in the day. I wonder what that was like. Probably a pretty happy time.

lol.

I watched South Parks parody of them today. I kinda feel sorry for them now.lol

fine then, i respect your opinions. But what makes the beatles so good ( for example )? Everybody is like, yeah the beatles are one of the best bands ever!! Why, i don't see anything great about their music. Good and pleasant to listen to......yes, but off the scale greatness? I don't think so.

Basically what i am wondering, is the same thing some metal fans wonder. Why would someone like metalcore? But the difference is i don't literally call the **** i listen to epic, great or see it as a set standard of music in any way. I just like it.

...but metalcore sucks and classic rock doesn't.

Bands like the Beatles wrote music that reflected on the times and their music influenced a lot of other bands. Metalcore is garbage and doesn't influence anyone so even mentioning the Beatles and metalcore in the same paragraph is totally unacceptable.

A quick pictorial guide for you

Classical music:
http://www.bowdoin.edu/news/events/a.../guangzhou.jpg


Classic rock:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...in_415858a.jpg

If metalcore sucks, i need some legit reasons why it sucks or your opinion is invalid.

Conversely there's no Journey or Van Halen so that argument is retarded.

You called classic rock classical music so really, your thread is invalid.

So? Who needs them when you have Zeppelin? You don't. :)

And you're being just as ignorant as him saying that the entire genre is garbage.

It's an opinion. :rolleyes: You can stop trolling me now.

More people will agree with classic rock bands being an influence than metalcore bands. That was just MY opinion on metalcore because I don't like it. He doesn't have to like classic rock bands but he can't deny it's influence.

Well who needs Jonas Brothers when you have Radiohead?

Do you see what I did there?

i'm basically talking anything from the 80's or earlier. Mostly i am talking about rock/metal

so beatles, the who, rolling stones, any of them.

There were no artificially created pop acts back then, but there were certainly similar bands and styles, there just wasn't anything else to counter balance it like we have today to show what crap it is.


Older music has survived through the times much like the way older literature has, mostly by popularity. Notice that the more popular classic bands you see today were the ones that were popular back in the day. It's the same big ones, The Who, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. but you don't see a huge influx of younger people listening to some of the lesser known bands like Television or 13th Floor Elevators, that had a cult following when they were in their prime, still have now.

Classic music is Mozart and such. This would be classic rock, my dear Travis.

I think people are taking my Jonas Brothers comment a bit too seriously.

Quit arguing grammar. You know what he's trying to say.

My God, go troll someone else. You didn't say that when he was schooled by an older member.

So what you're really talking about is not so much "classic rock" as "rock music that's older than you". It's a weird perspective to have, that everything that was recorded before you were born is worthless. I can't say I've ever had that viewpoint. Even when I was younger and more narrow minded in my music tastes I still liked music that was older than me as well as newer music.

Do you know what "troll" even means? I'm trying to get this thread steered towards a semi-constructive argument while you spit out things like "The Beatles > You" or "Led Zeppelin owns your soul" or "Today sucks because the Jonas Brothers exist."

I think a big part of it is that they laid out a big part of the foundation for music today. Music today wouldn't be what it is without those bands, because a lot of music today is just trying to recreate what was done then.

Personally, I like all kinds of music, but I most certainly don't think older music is "boring" by any means, and by dismissing it as such because it doesn't have whatever "flash" current music has is robbing yourself of the joy that music can bring. Music can be timeless to me. Sure, whatevers on the radio nowadays may be more "advanced" in some sense, but it fails to reach heights that I feel were reached with music from older time periods. If the emotional weight of the music touches me, that's what matters. I don't want gimmicks, I want heart. That cannot be defined by time period.


I was planning on writing much more, but it's quite late and I can't stay up, so I'll make a much better post on the subject in the near future.

If it hurts you so much to read it, put me on ignore. No matter what I say in any thread, you're always right behind to say something ignorant.

:laughing: so apparently producing valid counter arguments makes me ignorant?

Hush, hush everyone. This is only going to lead us to a locked thread, or something else that surely won't do us any good. If you don't have anything positive to add, it would probably be best if we chose to not further the negative.

yeah, i don't really want this thread locked.

Excuse me while i try and put the words together for my next post, i have a headache right now and it is slowing me down, lol

Ok I, like Blue, will enjoy music from any time period as long as it does the right things for me. I usually like rock and roll, but not stuff that is to heavy or hectic. I've also been in to some trip hop lately. I don't enjoy rap (usually) or metal, but I understand that people do like it, and there's nothing I can do about it. I used to openly dismiss such music, but realize that that was stupid. Even among genre's you don't care for, there are acts that are better and more important, such as Public Enemy vs. Soulja Boy. Who knows, I may end up liking some metal or rap in the future. A year ago I wouldn't be caught dead listening to Portishead, now I love them. Hell, 5 or so years ago I probably would have called Radiohead crap haha.

Influence shouldn't matter. It doesn't help them sound better.

I think people give older bands more credit than they deserve because of the fact they influenced tons of people, which is one of the reasons i made this thread in the first place.

And i still can't see why the beatles are so great, besides their influence on the whole world, lol

They made really, REALLY good pop-rock.

I don't really like the Beatles either so I can relate to that. But you have to understand that dismissing music just because it's older than you is dismissing most music. Why would you want to have such a narrow focus? And what are you going to do in 15-20 years when the bands you like now are all old? Are you going to suddenly start thinking they suck?

you mean like metallica? lol

Yeah, if they turn out like metallica and continue to try and put out music i will think they suck.

But in 20 years, i have no idea what will be good. Rap might take over the world or something, rap sure does seem to get alot of undeserved attention these days

I'm talking about albums or songs you like right now. What are some of your favorite albums by current bands? In 20 years will those albums have become crap because they're old?

Not the quality stuff. I'm no underground enthusiast or anything but almost ALL decent Hip-hop I've heard lately has no radioplay.

Well, i will definitely move on. I always discover new bands i like, and while still liking the ones i previously called my favorites, i just listen to the fresher stuff more. So i guess in 20 years i will still like the albums i do now, but there will be much better and fresher stuff to listen to.

I won't be calling Killswitch Engage the Gods of metalcore like i do now though, those bastards have to pass the torch sometime.

let me clear this post and start over.

Underground will never be recognized much, because the media is too busy feeding crap like chris brown and lil wayne to all the teens who think it is cool.

^^ I edited that post, because i was kind of off topic

So in other words, you recognize that old music can still be good even though it's no longer fresh. Now just apply this same concept backwards and you can understand why people like older music.

I think it's weird that you still keep equating "fresher" with "better". What's your reasoning for that?

how old are you?

Me?

well, i didn't mean to equate it like that. So ignore that, i shouldn't have typed that in there.

I think classics are overrated and don't deserve as much credit as they get. Just look at the 100 greatest songs of all time lists. All of them are full of songs from the 60's-80's. Why can't just 1 modern metal song be on that list? There are tons of good metal songs that mean alot more.

^ him.