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Roygbiv 03-20-2009 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618056)
well, i didn't mean to equate it like that. So ignore that, i shouldn't have typed that in there.

I think classics are overrated and don't deserve as much credit as they get. Just look at the 100 greatest songs of all time lists. All of them are full of songs from the 60's-80's. Why can't just 1 modern metal song be on that list? There are tons of good metal songs that mean alot more.
old people write that list. and the jaded.

Janszoon 03-20-2009 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618056)
well, i didn't mean to equate it like that. So ignore that, i shouldn't have typed that in there.

I think classics are overrated and don't deserve as much credit as they get. Just look at the 100 greatest songs of all time lists. All of them are full of songs from the 60's-80's. Why can't just 1 modern metal song be on that list? There are tons of good metal songs that mean alot more.
There's a pretty simple reason for this: you can't judge a song's longevity until it's been around for a while and longevity is one of main components of a classic song. Give it time and some of the songs you like right now will probably start making the classics lists.

jackhammer 03-20-2009 06:52 AM
I really should keep my opinions to myself on this one lest the wrath of the hammer smite ye!

Blue 03-20-2009 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618056)
well, i didn't mean to equate it like that. So ignore that, i shouldn't have typed that in there.

I think classics are overrated and don't deserve as much credit as they get. Just look at the 100 greatest songs of all time lists. All of them are full of songs from the 60's-80's. Why can't just 1 modern metal song be on that list? There are tons of good metal songs that mean alot more.
Maybe more to you, but to most, that's probably not the case. "Classic music" is held in high regard by a lot of people because a lot of people connect with it, and are touched by it in some fashion. That goes for any piece of music, and it shouldn't change because they are older songs.

You also have to realize that "metalcore" doesn't exactly have as big of a following as other forms of music.

Sneer 03-20-2009 07:46 AM
This thread reeks of philistinism

Blue 03-20-2009 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 618173)
This thread reeks of philistinism
This is completely off-topic, but I thought "I'm just a man, who is learning how to fall" was brilliant. Cheers.

Janszoon 03-20-2009 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 618160)
You also have to realize that "metalcore" doesn't exactly have as big of a following as other forms of music.
That, and from what I've heard, a lot of it is very 90s sounding or even 80s sounding. Not exactly what I would describe as fresh or new.

Molecules 03-20-2009 09:46 AM
you'll come around :pimp:

...:rofl: @ 'classical'. Now you know at least!

pahuuuta 03-20-2009 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 617980)
First off, i'm not trying to get anyone here to hate me, this is just an opinion.

Why do so many people consider classical music to be so great? It seems like everyone gives a ton of credit to older music, like metallica, led zepplin, black sabbath etc. But i don't see what is so good about it. Yeah, it is good music don't get me wrong, but i don't see how anyone can stand to listen to a whole sabbath album and say it is freakin EPIC. Yeah, everyone has different tastes, but for kids like myself who weren't around in that era of music, since the style has changed drastically, i just can't see why so many people like it so much.

Personally, i think most classical music is good, but i don't consider it great anymore. Maybe 15 years ago it would fly, but now days it just sounds so boring.

dude im probably younger than you and i hate new music, i love the older music IT IS EPIC

Janszoon 03-20-2009 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pahuuuta (Post 618222)
dude im probably younger than you and i hate new music, i love the older music IT IS EPIC
That's just as bad. Why not be open to all music whether it's new or old?

pahuuuta 03-20-2009 09:59 AM
some newer is alright, but older is a lot better. . .

Freebase Dali 03-20-2009 10:03 AM
I personally listen to whatever sounds good to me.

Why the hell would I worry about when the music was made and how much credit it is or isn't getting?

Worrying about all that crap is just subtracting focus away from the reason for listening to music in the first place.

Blue 03-20-2009 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction (Post 618226)
I personally listen to whatever sounds good to me.

Why the hell would I worry about when the music was made and how much credit it is or isn't getting?

Worrying about all that crap is just subtracting focus away from the reason for listening to music in the first place.
I agree 100%.

pahuuuta 03-20-2009 10:07 AM
so you wanna listen to it and not know what the hell your listening too?

Freebase Dali 03-20-2009 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pahuuuta (Post 618231)
so you wanna listen to it and not know what the hell your listening too?
Um...
No, I usually look at the CD to see what I'm listening to.

I really don't understand your question.
I don't require a band's complete statistics to figure out whether I like them or not.

pahuuuta 03-20-2009 10:11 AM
it is nice to know more about them though isnt it?

Freebase Dali 03-20-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pahuuuta (Post 618235)
it is nice to know more about them though isnt it?
Sure. But since when does that dictate whether I listen to the music or not?

Janszoon 03-20-2009 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction (Post 618226)
I personally listen to whatever sounds good to me.

Why the hell would I worry about when the music was made and how much credit it is or isn't getting?

Worrying about all that crap is just subtracting focus away from the reason for listening to music in the first place.
Exactly.

Mojo 03-20-2009 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618048)
Well, i will definitely move on. I always discover new bands i like, and while still liking the ones i previously called my favorites, i just listen to the fresher stuff more. So i guess in 20 years i will still like the albums i do now, but there will be much better and fresher stuff to listen to.
Im sorry to tell you brother but remove the word "better" from that post (this would suggest that in 20 years time the bands in the present day will produce music of a higher quality just because 20 years has passed) and you just answered your own question.

Can I ask you one question? Would you put Killswitch Engage, Coldplay, Muse or for that fact any band or artist that you can think of from the last 10 years in the same category?

TheBig3 03-20-2009 12:35 PM
Not to steal Cpt. Caveman's gig but...


Thread of the ****ing Year.

I implore you all to remember this come December.

thisWARisours 03-20-2009 02:04 PM
I pretty much agree with Darkest Hour.

I mean the music itself is okay, but I like other stuff a lot more.

But the importance and influence is like OFF THE CHARTS.

lucifer_sam 03-20-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by thisWARisours (Post 618330)
But the importance and influence is like OFF THE CHARTS.
Influence implies that it has an effect on future generations of music. So unless you really want me to explain how the passage of time works I don't think I need to expound on why current music can't really be considered influential.

Anteater 03-20-2009 05:54 PM
Well, on a different note, I doubt Darkest is aware of all the godlike stuff from the 60's up til now anyway if he's focusing in on metalcore. And if you aren't aware of more than two or three genres, then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about anyway.

Hence, my advice to the OP is simple; Go do yourself a favor and check out/listen to some of the discographies of King Crimson, Yes, Comus, The Sonics, The Residents, Return to Forever, Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa, Soft Machine, Magma, etc and still insist that music from before 1990 isn't superior to some of the stuff you are drooling over now. :usehead:

Darkest Hour 03-20-2009 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 618462)
Well, on a different note, I doubt Darkest is aware of all the godlike stuff from the 60's up til now anyway if he's focusing in on metalcore. And if you aren't aware of more than two or three genres, then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about anyway.

Hence, my advice to the OP is simple; Go do yourself a favor and check out/listen to some of the discographies of King Crimson, Yes, Comus, The Sonics, The Residents, Return to Forever, Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa, Soft Machine, Magma, etc and still insist that music from before 1990 isn't superior to some of the stuff you are drooling over now. :usehead:
you seem a bit angry. I will check those bands out tonight and tell you what i think.

ProggyMan 03-20-2009 06:12 PM
Guys, has anyone else noticed the influx of noobs with low reading comprehension?

Darkest Hour 03-20-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 618462)
Well, on a different note, I doubt Darkest is aware of all the godlike stuff from the 60's up til now anyway if he's focusing in on metalcore. And if you aren't aware of more than two or three genres, then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about anyway.

Hence, my advice to the OP is simple; Go do yourself a favor and check out/listen to some of the discographies of King Crimson, Yes, Comus, The Sonics, The Residents, Return to Forever, Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa, Soft Machine, Magma, etc and still insist that music from before 1990 isn't superior to some of the stuff you are drooling over now. :usehead:
i like listening to the sonics in the morning when i'm installing car audio or working on my car, but i almost died in boredom listening to the others on that list.

Anteater 03-20-2009 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618479)
i like listening to the sonics in the morning when i'm installing car audio or working on my car, but i almost died in boredom listening to the others on that list.
Pathetic. It's been less than thirty minutes since I posted and you've dismissed ALL of them but The Sonics?

ProggyMan 03-20-2009 06:23 PM
What did you expect, given his posts? He knows next to nothing about music, he won't like those bands in the first place, and I really doubt he listened to a single song anyway.

Darkest Hour 03-20-2009 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 618488)
What did you expect, given his posts? He knows next to nothing about music, he won't like those bands in the first place, and I really doubt he listened to a single song anyway.
actually i did. I got playlist.com right here in front of me. I'll even listen to more.

ProggyMan 03-20-2009 06:42 PM
Ooh, did you hear a single song from each artist! Wow! Now you can judge them!

Darkest Hour 03-20-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 618507)
Ooh, did you hear a single song from each artist! Wow! Now you can judge them!
yeah, let me come back later and give you some reviews. I want to make sure i give them all a good listen first

dac 03-20-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 618476)
Guys, has anyone else noticed the influx of noobs with low reading comprehension?
Yep.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-20-2009 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618519)
yeah, let me come back later and give you some reviews. I want to make sure i give them all a good listen first
Well make sure you post these reviews in the correct thread

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...lpful-way.html

thisWARisours 03-20-2009 07:50 PM
How come people aren't allowed to dislike classic rock, seriously?

I ****ing hate most songs by The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.

I love them and respect them loads for doing what they did, but am I not allowed to dislike their music just because they are so important?

I grew up listening to all of them, since both my parents like them...so I've heard loads of their stuff.

The only song that stuck with me was Fool On A Hill.

Led Zeppelin on the other hand I love.

SATCHMO 03-20-2009 07:52 PM
To dismiss music simply because its old is absurd. Does anyone really need to explain to you? that it takes more creativity to pioneer a genre than it does to copy it. Music gets designated classic not simply because its been around a while, but because it has a timeless quality that allows people to go on appreciating it long after the era in which it was created. The music you love now will one day be considered classic (that is if it doesn't already suck) what will you do then?

Darkest Hour 03-20-2009 07:53 PM
classic rock is just boring to me. Absolutely no emotion or anything. It's still good to listen to every once in a while, but meh.

thisWARisours 03-20-2009 07:53 PM
I don't dislike the classic rock bands because they are old.

I simply don't enjoy their music!

I'll admit that it is more creative than the stuff I listen to, but it just doesn't appeal to what my brain enjoys listening to!

PinkCigarette 03-20-2009 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour (Post 618555)
classic rock is just boring to me. Absolutely no emotion or anything. It's still good to listen to every once in a while, but meh.
So because there isn't anyone growling and screaming into the mic, it has no emotion?


Most Beatles tunes were rather happy songs. Happy = emotion.

A lot of classic rock songs were about love or things that were happening at the time, like war. War is sad. Sadness = emotion. Love = emotion.

Darkest Hour 03-20-2009 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by thisWARisours (Post 618556)
I don't dislike the classic rock bands because they are old.

I simply don't enjoy their music!

I'll admit that it is more creative than the stuff I listen to, but it just doesn't appeal to what my brain enjoys listening to!
new riffs > old riffs

that's why i like what i listen to, old music doesn't have enough energy with it

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Originally Posted by MissMurder (Post 618557)
So because there isn't anyone growling and screaming into the mic, it has no emotion?


Most Beatles tunes were rather happy songs. Happy = emotion.

A lot of classic rock songs were about love or things that were happening at the time, like war. War is sad. Sadness = emotion. Love = emotion.
metalcore has tons of emotion with it, whether it is the vocals or the breakdown that leads to a solo. It all has great emotion. Emotion emotion.

ProggyMan 03-20-2009 07:59 PM
You've heard what, 5 bands? One song by each? 'Classic rock' isn't a particular kind of music it's just a stupid classification given to rock bands from a certain era. I'm 14, I like a good deal of Classic Rock, so do a lot of people my age. Unlike you I've actually have something to compare it to besides ****ty, force fed Metalcore bands. Why is it so hard for you to accept that other people like different things?


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