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spearmint 12-14-2004 03:18 PM

which came first...
 
the chicken or the egg?

davidMC1982 12-14-2004 04:59 PM

Depends on how you look at it. The question is too loosely defined to say either way.

If you asked, "what came first, the chicken as we know it or the egg," the answer would unquestionably be the egg.

You can only say the chicken if you allow previous generations of evolution to be counted as chickens. Of course, if you believe in creationism then the chicken certainly came first.

Dave

Raine 12-14-2004 05:57 PM

i've got two answers to this question. One that's stupid and the other is actually rather logical.

The first answer is:
I came first and I made the egg with my bare hands.

And now for my logical answer.
I believe that a chicken came first. Based on the fact that energy can be neither created or destroyed but just does so happen exist one way or other I think that a chicken had to come first since the byproducts or reproductive organs can not exist otherwise.
And I think that there had to be at least 2 chickens of course to make a the egg.
I always hated this question because if only people of the world just heard my answerr(s) first they wouldn't keep asking the same question over and over.
In any case, it is kinda known that the reproductive systems and organs are some of the most primitive systems and also the first to develop.
It only makes sense that when one chicken met another chicken that they heard the urge to make an egg. Because back then the concept of frontal lobes didn't dawn upon mother nature but apparently amygdalas did and so that is the reason why the chicken came before the egg.

Hope I said something logical.

Peace out.

davidMC1982 12-14-2004 07:17 PM

Except, if energy cannot be created nor destroyed, where did the chicken come from?

I beleive the egg came first because of the genetic mutations that have to occur in nature for new species to be produced. These mutations would have occured in the egg, and as such, the egg came first. This only holds true with the caveat that the previous generation of evolution (whatever laid the egg) isn't classed as a chicken.

Of course, the true answer is neither came first. The way evolution occurs over many millions of years means the line between the chicken/egg becomes blurred. Although, if you wanted to be really clever you could say neither; single cell organisms came first.

Dave

jesus 12-14-2004 08:48 PM

egg

rise_above 12-14-2004 10:20 PM

i dont see the point in this question? y does it matter? this usually ends up in confusion and arguments. the only thing that does matter is that we have KFC and that it stays here

Oi_To_The_World 12-14-2004 10:26 PM

i think it started off as a stupid useless post, and then people got philosophical with it. but yes, KFC is delicious. what ever happened to colonel sanders? i bet he knows which came first, after all he did live to like 120 years old

jibber 12-14-2004 10:54 PM

well, it's not limited to a chicken egg specifically, so i'm going to say the egg, since there were dinosaur eggs long before there were chickens. And since I believe in evolution my take on it would be that the dinosaurs eventually evolved into chickens.

rise_above 12-14-2004 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jibber
well, it's not limited to a chicken egg specifically, so i'm going to say the egg, since there were dinosaur eggs long before there were chickens. And since I believe in evolution my take on it would be that the dinosaurs eventually evolved into chickens.

i guess thats a good way to settle it

covle 12-15-2004 09:57 AM

colonel sanders....an icon.
another icon...(only aussies will follow me)...hughey...from hugheys cooking adventures

spearmint 12-15-2004 11:36 AM

It wasn't a stupid post, I just haven't had a lot of time to come on here recently and the thread was made in a fly in visit...I'm basically writting a paper on it (don't ask) and I have to say which one and why...even explaining evolution etc...part of it is to include other peoples veiws on it
sorry I didn't make this clear to start, I didn't have a lot of time

rise_above 12-18-2004 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oi_To_The_World
i think it started off as a stupid useless post, and then people got philosophical with it. but yes, KFC is delicious. what ever happened to colonel sanders? i bet he knows which came first, after all he did live to like 120 years old

how long did he do commercials for KFC?

Moniker 12-18-2004 05:41 AM

The chicken came first, any way you look at it.

Creationism: God made a chicken first, and the chicken had eggs later.

Evolution (this one's more complicated but follow closely): You've got chickens, and before them came pre-chickens. Let's call them cluckens. So you've got cluckens laying clucken-eggs on and on through evolution. Eventually the clucken is going to evolve into what is now a chicken. But the clucken lays clucken-eggs, not chicken eggs. So the first chicken isn't born in a chicken-egg, since that egg was laid by a clucken. The first chicken-egg only comes about after the first chicken was already born, so the chicken came first this way too. Unless you use the loophole that the question doesn't specify chicken eggs, but you'd have to have really low self-esteem and inadequacy issues to say something like that.

Thrice 12-18-2004 08:55 AM

Actually adam got hungry before eve and sin and all that, so god made him a chicken. The chicken laid an egg, then adam ate the chicken. Thats the true story. Its in the bible

Raine 12-18-2004 03:40 PM

First I'd like to say that I'm not big on KFC.
Here in PA the local KFC's are synonymous with poison.

And I'm pretty sure the chicken came before the egg. After a year of bio and some other classes related to science and whatever I'm pretty sure the chicken came first.

And there is actual proof that dinosaurs or whatever was left of them went through a couple of evolutionary processes and their closest current living relative that is still alive today is the bird.
And since I'm pretty sure dinosaurs were around longer than the birds it is safe to assume that a dinosaur evolved into a chicken. And that chicken met another chicken (that used to be a dinosaur) they hit it off since to each other they were the last of their species on the planet and they decided to just skip the date and move straight on to the sex and together they made a egg that would later hatch and prove the love they each had for each other. Or the hormones anyway.

And that's the end of that.

Oi_To_The_World 12-18-2004 04:12 PM

i think this whole chicken vs. egg thing is a KFC coverup, and the colonel knows the true answer, but he's dead, so now we're f*cked.

rise_above 12-18-2004 04:25 PM

time to call in the tv telepaths

covle 12-19-2004 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moniker
The chicken came first, any way you look at it.

Creationism: God made a chicken first, and the chicken had eggs later.

Evolution (this one's more complicated but follow closely): You've got chickens, and before them came pre-chickens. Let's call them cluckens. So you've got cluckens laying clucken-eggs on and on through evolution. Eventually the clucken is going to evolve into what is now a chicken. But the clucken lays clucken-eggs, not chicken eggs. So the first chicken isn't born in a chicken-egg, since that egg was laid by a clucken. The first chicken-egg only comes about after the first chicken was already born, so the chicken came first this way too. Unless you use the loophole that the question doesn't specify chicken eggs, but you'd have to have really low self-esteem and inadequacy issues to say something like that.

but the argument here could also be that it was a chicken in this egg, it wasnt a clucken egg at all then was it? it was a chicken egg, as a chicken was within. sure a clucken laid this egg, but its a chicken egg in my opinion.

covle 12-19-2004 04:39 AM

"what came first the chicken or the moron?
id say the moron potty trained or not"

AmyLeeFan 12-28-2004 09:59 PM

Chicken.

covle 12-29-2004 12:51 AM

^good point


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