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Old 05-25-2011, 01:14 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Going off on a tangent doesn't help your argument tbh
And my diet probably is superior to yours
How many times a week do you cook for yourself? How many fruits and veggies do you get in your diet?
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:46 PM   #252 (permalink)
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Anyways, if you want to be a vegetarian or vegan because you insist on a sort of crass anthropomorphism, fine. But don't pretend it's a superior diet - it's not.
Haha - thanks for your permission but I don't pretend anything. I simply don't believe in superior or inferior diets (or "lifestyles" or "races" for that matter). It's funny that you call vegetarianism "anthropomorphism"

How much human flesh do you eat? Those things (humans) are animals too. Do you also support the farming of human creatures so you can eat that high-quality protein?
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:05 PM   #253 (permalink)
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Engine, humans are self-aware, the amount of animals that are self-aware could be counted on your fingers and toes. Hence my point about anthropomorphism. Look up the "Mirror Test" if you'd rather read about it from a more erudite source than myself.



Paloma, I wasn't going off on a tangent, you brought up Vegan bodybuilders, I brought up gay NAZIs, as promised, but anyways:

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In other words, I live in the country. Gravel road, acreage, a little stream known as the Mississippi within jogging distance, etc. So I cook, or prepare if no cooking is called for, nearly all my meals. Taking a truck to town for a meal is just way too expensive.

Anyways, my diet today was:
Breakfast: 2 strips of bacon and 4 eggs
Pre-Cardio Snack: apple and raisins
Cardio workout
Lunch: 5 sausage links, 4 eggs, large glass of milk
Snack: large glass of milk blended with raspberries
Dinner: apples, raisins, banana - whiskey & milk

Yesterday it was:
Breakfast; milk & apples
Lunch: milks, jerky, & string cheese
Pre-Cardio snack: pineapple & strawberrys (<---rules)
Dinner: crawfish & venison sausage gumbo, sans rice of course
Late night: broccoli, cabbage, and mango salsa

Which basically summarizes my diet; high protein in the early part of the day, emphasis on carbs before workout & little protein in the late evening. No sugar or grains for me, I do starch sparingly, and my fruit intake - as always - gets stupidly high as my berry patches come in.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:10 PM   #254 (permalink)
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also, seriously why the fuck does this debate have to go on so long? Leave me the fuck alone to eat what I want, and I'll leave you alone to eat what the fuck you want.
Don't like beans and tofu? GREAT. Don't ****ing eat it.

And honestly, most meat eaters have such awful diets I doubt you even absorb all the vitamins you need

so STFU
just looking at your avatar reminds me of how much meat is stored in my intestines

i try to get as much roughage as possible

raw veggies at least once a week
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what? i don't understand you. farming is for vegetables, not for meat. if ou disagree with a farming practice, you disagree on a vegetable. unless you have a different definition of farming.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:00 AM   #255 (permalink)
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Anyways, my diet today was:
Breakfast: 2 strips of bacon and 4 eggs
Pre-Cardio Snack: apple and raisins
Cardio workout
Lunch: 5 sausage links, 4 eggs, large glass of milk
Snack: large glass of milk blended with raspberries
Dinner: apples, raisins, banana - whiskey & milk

Yesterday it was:
Breakfast; milk & apples
Lunch: milks, jerky, & string cheese
Pre-Cardio snack: pineapple & strawberrys (<---rules)
Dinner: crawfish & venison sausage gumbo, sans rice of course
Late night: broccoli, cabbage, and mango salsa

Which basically summarizes my diet; high protein in the early part of the day, emphasis on carbs before workout & little protein in the late evening. No sugar or grains for me, I do starch sparingly, and my fruit intake - as always - gets stupidly high as my berry patches come in.
Too much milk. You would need to have more vegetables to really balance your diet. If you want iron to absorb into your body its crucial you have vitamin C as well.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:12 AM   #256 (permalink)
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and my fruit intake - as always - gets stupidly high as my berry patches come in.
dude has berry patches!
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:25 AM   #257 (permalink)
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Too much milk. You would need to have more vegetables to really balance your diet. If you want iron to absorb into your body its crucial you have vitamin C as well.
Hes getting vitamin c from his fruit intake. Pineapples and Mango have plenty of vitamin c for absorption of iron.
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dude has berry patches!
I think you're being sarcastic, but I do and I am rather proud of them. Fresh strawberries, blackberries, and I even have two types of raspberries.

Anyways, my state allows one to make & sell up to 100 gallons (annually) of beer, wine, hard cider, or even distilled liquor without any sort of paperwork. Berrys have high amounts of simple sugar, so I can produce fruit wines and meads with minimal store-bought ingredients. It's not mind blowing, but I get regular costumers for my strawberry mead at the farmers market, my raspberry wine isn't half bad, and it's a fun hobby.

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Too much milk. You would need to have more vegetables to really balance your diet. If you want iron to absorb into your body its crucial you have vitamin C as well. ]
LOL! I work on a dairy farm. They used to bottle their own milk and sell it to employees at an amazing discount, so even though they don't anymore, I suppose my intake is part habit, part naive support for my industry, and part of my rural heritage. Besides, I've broken enough bones I've become rather militant about calcium.

But, yeah, my diet needs improvement; I do need more veggies, especially leafy greens.
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I think you're being sarcastic, but I do and I am rather proud of them. Fresh strawberries, blackberries, and I even have two types of raspberries.

Anyways, my state allows one to make & sell up to 100 gallons (annually) of beer, wine, hard cider, or even distilled liquor without any sort of paperwork. Berrys have high amounts of simple sugar, so I can produce fruit wines and meads with minimal store-bought ingredients. It's not mind blowing, but I get regular costumers for my strawberry mead at the farmers market, my raspberry wine isn't half bad, and it's a fun hobby.
I don't agree with your strong anti-vegetarianism, but that's pretty awesome
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Earlier in the thread some folks stated that "meat is the best protein," and you mention that beans are a great source of protein (which is true), so I want to comment on the issue of "what is the best protein."
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That's bull**** vegetarian propaganda. Beans are an inferior source of protein because they lack essential amino acids found in all types of meat.

If you want to build lean muscle mass, meat is the way to go. It's no accident vegetarian body builders are about as common as gay NAZIs.
Hip Hop, what makes you think that the statement "beans are a great source of protein" is "bull**** vegetarian propaganda?"

The Harvard School of Public Health, hardly a source of propaganda, states:
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"Vegetable sources of protein, such as beans, nuts, and whole grains, are excellent choices, and they offer healthy fiber, vitamins, and minerals."
Beans are low in methionine but rich in lysine, and since most grains are low in lysine and rich in methionine you can easily get all the essential amino acids you need by including beans and grains in your diet over the course of the day.

And a bonus: by eating beans and grains instead of meats you have avoided the cholesterol and saturated fats in animal products, such as bacon and eggs, that can increase health risks.

The American Dietetic Association, the largest organization of nutritionists in the U.S., and unlikely to be source of vegetarian propaganda, describes the healthfulness of vegetarian diets in which meat is not a source of protein:

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J Am Diet Assoc., 2009; 109: 1266-1282.
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The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians.

Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower overall body mass index and lower overall cancer rates.
Finally, what makes you believe that eating meat is the best way to build lean muscle mass? This doesn't mesh with what I've read.

For example, the American Dietetic Association states in the same article above that vegetarian diets can meet the needs of competitive athletes: "Vegetarian diets that meet energy needs and contain a variety of plant-based protein foods, such as soy products, other legumes, grains, nuts, and seeds can provide adequate protein without the use of special foods or supplements."

P.S. Your broccoli, mango, and cabbage salad, and all your delicious berries and fruits sound *very* healthful to me, but OH OH OH! Hip Hop! I worry when I read that you are eating in a single day 2 strips of bacon, 5 sausage links, and 8 eggs!!!

Would you please read the following Harvard School of Public Health web page on protein, paying special attention to what they say about red meats and processed meats? http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...l#introduction

In my earlier post I quoted their health information about why not to eat more than one egg per day.
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