Hiv Positve American Man Cured In Berlin Breaking News 12/11/2008
 

German news NTV reports 12/11/2008 American man, HIV positive man developed Leukemia and came to Berlin for a bone marrow treatment. A young doctor "Gero Hütter" had a brainwave and used mutated donor marrow, after the treatment the patients blood test results came back "negative for HIV and Leukemia. Hütter and his pier say it's still too early to to celebrate, they don't want to jump the gun, but the results have come back negative... "Could this be good news for a change and real hope for millions of HIV infected people accross the globe?

Wow, this could be insane for the world. If this is true, Gero Hutter will be one of the greatest men who ever lived :D

Got a news page link?

This could lead to great things for mankind, like Bono shutting up.

Looks genuine. This could be a massive leap if it's replicatable. Here's hoping.

Look up ntv.de don't know if you speak German, look for "hiv mann geheilt, or something like that. I seen it on the tv, I watch German tv caus the irish channels are dead bones.
Good man right track your well informed I seen your link too late. Georgie the Best there ever was. come on u reds. got myself red diablo m.u.f.c. tatoo 32 years ago 4 a fiver, a man might only get a loaf in the mush 4 a fiver 2day. This country's gone to the doggs.

Now that's what I call a miracle...

oh my lord

Not a miracle, SCIENCE!

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This is really quite phenomenal.

If they can recreate the success and make a universal cure, then it would be science. If it's an accidental, unrepeatable cure, it's a miracle. Either way, it's remarkable stuff.

As long as you don't think a miracle means "GOD DID IT!!!".

Why not?

There's a perfectly rational explanation for how this happened, making it not a holy miracle. A miracle in the sense that it was extremely lucky, perhaps.

I also don't really think it was a holy miracle performed by God or anything like that. I guess that is mainly due to the fact that I don't believe in God generally though.

Because you've got no reason to believe it is. As khfreek said, it was extremely "lucky", but not a magical man stepping in. After all, why it appears to have worked is explained in the article.

Well I believe everything happens for a reason and we're all guided by a divine force...so...

We are guided by our urges to eat and fuck. If people have faith then fantastic, but we are just creatures in an evolutionary chain. If we are being guided then it is the worst advice ever. Man, despite his abundant intelligence; is a base creature who does not live in sync with nature. We are a fuck up-simple as that.

Sorry you feel that way...;)

It's not pessimism though Marijan. Just my view. Every single animal on the planet lives by a code that is not broken. There is no unnecessary killing or subjucation. Only humans with their 'superior' intellect, consistently break this code.

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No. As a mod I can change the rules as I see fit ;)

Sounds cold and pessimistic to me...I could never live like that. And it baffles me that anyone could reduce us to shit producing machines when there's so much around us to prove otherwise. :\

Humans break the 'code' I think because we're the only creatures who actually question our existence and wonder why we are here. Humans challenge nature and question and explore new identities. As opposed to animals, who just have food and reproduction on their minds.

But then again I can think of quite a few humans that just have food and reproduction on their minds...

If it fit's into your agenda...I guess the crusades and the holocaust were all results of divine force too. Good stuff happens. Bad stuff happens. If you truly look at everything that has happened in history there is no feasible way you can say there is a divine force always guiding us.

Sure I can. :rolleyes:

What is around us though? We have made our own lives better but to the detriment of other species and nature itself.

I think that you are perhaps reading my thoughts wrong. Human beings are capable of acts of oustanding bravery and devotion. However we treat the planet as a plaything and are now only just realising the extent of our folly. Why are we so hellbent on creating destruction amongst ourselves?

A bad description i know but: A lion will mercilesly hunts it's prey, rip it apart for meat with not any thought about consequences. It needs food and will find it. Yet a few hours later both the hunter and the hunted may well be drinking water from the same pool and nothing will happen.

Humans cannot do this. They desire and want and need and want to sate their flesh at every available opportunity. We eat when we are not hungry and drink when we are not thirsty. We do not fit into natures chain. We cannot change this now and neither should feel bad about it either. By knowing our faults, we can then work upon our positives and try to redress the many imbalances we have caused.

If you're deluded. You've got no good reason to believe what you do, so unfortunately you are. :( Sure, I can believe that the universe is governed by any sort of fantastic being, but without evidence, I'd be deluded.

Look in the mirror and say to yourself that the Holocaust was supposed to happen, and it happened solely because of divine intervention.

Stop or else.....
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As much as I stand with a lot of the thoughts being presented, I don't think I could ever tell someone that what they believe is wrong, because who's to say what I believe is right? I have no problem defending my beliefs, but, I'm not going to impose mine on someone else.

Here's the problem with that: first of all, all religious people do the very same thing. Christians basically say that Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc. are all wrong, and each of those religions have the same attitude towards each other. So me saying "all of you are wrong" is no worse - I'm just not picking one and saying that's right, based on zero evidence whatsoever.

And why not tell them, anyway? Because they have no reason to believe what they do, their certitude about their religion being right is totally out of line.

Why is religion any different? Why can I debate you on your ideas of the economy, but if I say anything about your religion, I'm stepping overboard? Religion has somehow convinced people not only that there's a man in the sky, but that it's not okay to argue about it. How convenient. But then again, I don't blame them. A belief that is not backed up by facts and can be largely disproved by science would not benefit from being debated.

But I think we should maybe have a thread devoted to debating religion rather than hijack a thread about something so important on its own.

i hate religious talk

any news on the HIV front?

Caution over transplant HIV 'cure' - Health News, Health & Wellbeing - The Independent

here's news on the HIV front. Doctor's in the UK are being very cautious about hailing this as a success, as the HIV virus has proven to be very adept at hiding in cells, so there may still be parts of the virus left. Also, bone marrow transplants are in incredibly invasive and intense procedure, not something that could be adopted as a widespread cure. another thing, the bone marrow was from a HIV resistant person, which constitutes only about 3% of the population of the UK. Now that is not a sample from the global population, but nonetheless, it is easy to see how logistically, bone marrow transplants would be impossible to implement as a cure for HIV world wide.

While obviously the bone marrow thing would be too difficult to implement as a cure worldwide, it seems like they'd be able to take what they've learned and somehow develop some other sort of more practical cure.