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joyboyo53 · 10-23-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Here is why I closed your(Wendycal) thread. You posted a fictitious article bashing lefties and anyone against the Iraq war

So should someone close your thread for posting ficticious stories about righties? I mean seriously man...

Not that I am defending the person who posted those articles or the republican party by any means. I agree, the republican party (for the most part) is really broken. But if your gonna wave your little magic mod wand around, dont abuse it.

Inuzuka Skysword · 10-23-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

If reason is the only absolutely you can not reason out other absolutes. For instance, time is not absolute for time is not reason. However if you could reasonably determine that time necessarily exists than you must discard your previous stance.

I am sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I am doing a bit of research on what exactly an absolute is. I am pretty sure that an absolute is a standard of living and not necessarily something that exists. I am still checking up on it though.

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That addresses nothing about my post. From here explain how valuing someone's interest above your own means you cannot place any value on your own life.

If you believe that one should not place value on one's own life over everyone else's then that means that every one else is responsible for your life and you are responsible for your own. This means that if they want to kill you, they have the right to do it because it is in their interest to kill you. Where is the logic in that?

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If one have to pay for hospital and can be killed legally, even if he's under 18, how do you call that ? A lot of people in the world would call that dictatorship. I call that USA.

And socialism DOESN'T mean you can't own what you work for. It means that even if you can't buy, food, health..., you can have it.

(USSR was a dictatorship, that's true, but every socialists nations aren't)

I am pretty sure that you can't be killed for not paying for hospital care. You will probably be put in jail, but you deserve it. Secondly, socialism explicitly states that everyone receive the same income. If one is doing a better job than another then how is that gauged in a socialist society.

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yeah, developing a healty self-esteem and living life to the fullest sound like horrible ideas to me too.

Are you an objectivist?

Fruitonica · 10-23-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

If you believe that one should not place value on one's own life over everyone else's then that means that every one else is responsible for your life and you are responsible for your own. This means that if they want to kill you, they have the right to do it because it is in their interest to kill you. Where is the logic in that?

There are SPECIFIC people whose welfare I would value above my own, because of the love I hold for them. Naturally these people aren't trying to kill me.

Inuzuka Skysword · 10-23-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruitonica

There are SPECIFIC people whose welfare I would value above my own, because of the love I hold for them. Naturally these people aren't trying to kill me.

Again, if you value another's life over yours, you are irrational. You can still value other people if you love them, but to value them over your own life is irrational unless you believe that you cannot go on living without these people.

sleepy jack · 10-23-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

So should someone close your thread for posting ficticious stories about righties? I mean seriously man...

Not that I am defending the person who posted those articles or the republican party by any means. I agree, the republican party (for the most part) is really broken. But if your gonna wave your little magic mod wand around, dont abuse it.

Where did I say in the beginning "Anyone who disagrees should eat shit and die?"

sleepy jack · 10-23-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Again, if you value another's life over yours, you are irrational. You can still value other people if you love them, but to value them over your own life is irrational unless you believe that you cannot go on living without these people.

Why is it irrational?

Inuzuka Skysword · 10-23-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Why is it irrational?

You cannot reason when you are dead. If you don't value your right to life as your highest value then you are irrational.

sleepy jack · 10-23-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

You cannot reason when you are dead. If you don't value your right to life as your highest value then you are irrational.

I don't follow your logic...at all. There are people who join the military to protect their home country knowing full well they may die. Are you going to say all those people are irrational too? I care about plenty of my friends well being more than I care about my own, is that irrational? I can think of plenty of instances where people place other people's lives higher on their priority list than your own and it's look at as respectable and heroic. Look at what John McCain did when he was captured are you going to say that's silly and irrational too? Besides you can reason when you're alive.

Besides you say you're christian, but I guess you don't believe in all that equality and golden rule crap because you're always, without a doubt number one right? According to your beliefs Jesus died so you could be saved what if he decided that placing your needs above his own was irrational and didn't do it?

Inuzuka Skysword · 10-23-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I don't follow you're logic...at all. There are people who join the military to protect their home country knowing full well they may die. Are you going to say all those people are irrational too? I care about plenty of my friends well being more than I care about my own, is that irrational? I can think of plenty of instances where people place other people's lives higher on their priority list than your own and it's look at as respectable and heroic. Look at what John McCain did when he was captured are you going to say that's silly and irrational too? Besides you can reason when you're alive.

Just because the vast majority of people think something is moral according to their moral standard, doesn't mean it is right. If morality is objective, it must be based on logic. People in the army are irrational unless they join the army because it is in their own rational self-interest. People could join the army because they have no other way out. This could be a rational reason. I also agree that you can reason when you are alive. What I said was that you can't reason when you are dead so you must protect your life in order to protect your reason.

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Besides you say you're christian, but I guess you don't believe in all that equality and golden rule crap because you're always, without a doubt number one right? According to your beliefs Jesus died so you could be saved what if he decided that placing your needs above his own was irrational and didn't do it?

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Originally Posted by Me from earlier in the thread

Now I do not follow this philosophy because I am irrational and chose religion (Christianity,) but this philosophy is the most logical philosophy out there.

Jesus, if he was God, would not be irrational because he saw a bigger picture that humans aren't necessarily able to see. I mean, I recognize my irrationality, but that doesn't mean I want to bring that into politics or even into my intellectual life.

Applenux · 10-24-2008, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I am pretty sure that you can't be killed for not paying for hospital care. You will probably be put in jail, but you deserve it. Secondly, socialism explicitly states that everyone receive the same income. If one is doing a better job than another then how is that gauged in a socialist society.

Are you an objectivist?

First I was talking about Capital Punishment when I said "can be killed legally" (I know you're supposed to be a criminal, but blood is supposed to be washed with tears, not with blood), and secondly, I just hate politic, capitalism AND socialist, or whatever. Why ? There's just people who want to be president, no one really care about their nation.
I just wanted to say that if one lives in a country where you go to jail if you are poor and sick (!), where everybody can buy guns, where the president has to swear on the bible, and where there is death penality, he shouldn't talk about others systems as "slavery".