My controversial views on religion (Christianity mostly) (beatles, Religious, members)

~~The Unfan~~ · 06-15-2008, 11:40 AM

Beliefs don't hinder us as long as we can keep an open mind and are willing to fact check. Though that may just be my liberal political leanings talking.

Rainard Jalen · 06-15-2008, 05:12 PM

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Believing rocks are real is valid because they are observable, quantifiable, and falsifiable.

That's only assuming that sensory perception is accurate...

Duke Of Slander · 06-15-2008, 05:33 PM

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That's only assuming that sensory perception is accurate...

Well we only know that the only thing truly "real" is our consciousness so....

But lets no delve further into that branch of philosophy or we'll have the unmoved mover argument in here.

ProggyMan · 06-15-2008, 10:54 PM

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I didn't say it caused problems, I said it limits our potential as a species. As far as that goes, it's christianity not the christians limiting our potential. How much can we accomplish if we live a lie?

From the Christian perspective you're the one holding our species back.

Skinny. · 06-16-2008, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Prove to me that atheism is truth.

There is a hell of alot more facts supporting scientific explanations for existence than there is for an invisible man in the clouds who controls the universe.

People spend they're whole lives believing in a god they have never seen or herd from, with no evidence or reason to believe in his existance, yet they want people to prove he doesn't exist.

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From the Christian perspective you're the one holding our species back.

You mean, I'm stopping us all from ascending into heaven when hell rises up?

williexwhip · 06-16-2008, 11:01 AM

religion is bull****. period.

Dr_Rez · 06-16-2008, 12:05 PM

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religion is bull****. period.

Yea, but the idea is nice.

~~Civic Depreciator~~ · 06-16-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny.

I've been thinking it over and listening to some interpretations of the bible (watch the first third of Zeitgeist) and I'm certain christianity is bollocks.Jesus was pretty much proved not to exist (see obove),

The fact that this was included in the September 11th hoax easily makes your source bollocks.

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heaven is a fairy tale explanation for what's going on in death, created in old times to stop people from fearing death and the mith has somehow survived into modern times where you think people would be smart enough to have worked out you don't sit on a cloud forever after your body shuts down. The mith of hell was created by people in power a long time ago to keep the masses in order and again, somehow the mith has survived into modern times

So it helps create order and peace. Where is the problem here?

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where you think people would have realised that if there was a god the way the church and the bible describes it, he wouldn't put you in a place like that for any reason.

What kind of place are you talking about now?

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There is no devil, because if god was powerful enough to kick him out of heaven, god would be powerful enough to stop the devil from persuading us to do evil. All bollocks.

The devil persuading is a good indication of how strong we can resist. Not everyone gets persuaded, just the lazy people who choose the easy way out of things.

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Also, if this life was to test our spirits, why wouldn't god tell us so himself. They say it is to test our faith, but we need to develop faith to have it tested and people in robes retelling old propaganda and explanations for things we can now explain our selves with the various forms of science we have that have logical explanations for diseases and numerous things the bible tries to exlplain just isn't enough to develop lifelong faith.It just isn't going to cut it.

Maybe that doesn't develop faith for you, but you also don't speak for everyone. I've developed faith based on this scant information.

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I stated earlier in the thread that having religion is good becuase it teaches morals ect., but maybe it's doing more harm than good. With such a large percentage of people shutting out the logic and believing in tall tales that have no meaning in reality, how much can humanity accomplish?

How is it in any way holding us back from discovery?

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As we (the human race) advance more people are turning thier back on religion and they are realising what a pile of crap it all is.

You can thank media for that.

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Wich leads to this point, if we advance and simultaniously begin to shut out religion, it could work both ways, meaning, if we all stop listening to this **** we would advance quicker and have a better chance at answering questions like "why are we here?"

Religion is in no way interfering with this. There are plenty of scientists out there that have no faith and choose to figure out these questions.

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or "what happens after death?" rather than accept what is clearly a load of bollocks if you look hard enough, as the answers to the important questions, wich could be answered.

This couldn't be answered, either way. A dead person sure as hell isn't going to be able to give us the solution. I don't even know why you need to know what happens. You'll find out sooner or later. Curiosity killed the cat.

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I'm not sure what happens after death (probably nothing) but if we just accept what the bible tells us happens (with no proof) then we will abolish any hope of finding out what happens at death,

Finding out what happens after death will in no way affect what happens after death.

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before the time comes, so if you believe what the bible says, you're in for some disapointment, or if, like me, you've decided not to take what certain people say as fact with no proof, then you'll just have to wait and see unless we all wake up.

If I'm wrong when I die, I won't be disappointed, because as you put it, nothing happens after death. Thus, I won't be able to feel anything, as in disappointment.

I choose to take the risk in believing, and have the chance of it paying off when I go to heaven. And if I'm wrong? Oh no, I wasted an hour a week at church! What a terrible commitment! I've made my choice, you've made yours.

~~The Unfan~~ · 06-16-2008, 02:02 PM

I've always hated Pascal's way of thinking.

sleepy jack · 06-16-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

So, after all of this thinking and depressing knowledge you can go a couple ways:

- You can turn to pleasures such as money, fame, sex, revenge, etc.
- You can forget about it by taking things such as drugs or use your mind by rejecting any thinking.
- You can turn to a religion, which I believe breaks the system.
- You can be a Nihilist, or another of the sort.
- You can commit suicide.

I picked religion.

This post made me lol. Your faith isn't superficial at all.

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~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	I've always hated Pascal's way of thinking.