Alfred

That has nothing to do with what I said.

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sleepy jack

^It's basically a direct response to your post...

Well I agree I just think if you were a Mormon you would have a good deal more chance of getting elected than a Muslim would.

Also about the homosexual thing I understand it can happen in completely reverse where the parent's become to accept homosexuality because their child comes out but at the same time I think the idea's are similar there. You have a belief you put on for everyone and tell people but deep down you have it in you to think totally opposite of that belief. One is more of a revelation while the other's always been there but meh I can't explain this properly so I hope you get what I'm getting at.

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Alfred

I'm aware, but it still has nothing to do with what I said.

I told him his perception of America is exaggerated, and he responded with that.

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sleepy jack

It's really not in this case other cases maybe but not this one. A couple facts for you...

John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are all Christian, not exactly a coincidence if you go through the religious beliefs of all the past presidents you're going to find much more christians that non-christians.

The majority of the nation identifies themselves as christian.

And finally our motto is "In God We Trust"

It's pretty safe to say an atheist doesn't stand nearly as much as a chance running for President as a christian does and seeing as homosexuality is against christian beliefs they don't either.

So please explain what here is exaggerated.

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Miltamec Soundsquinaez

Well, Mormons are more closely associated with being here than those others.
Although, I wouldn't see how a qualified candidate who was Muslim or Hindu would be any less qualified.
And I get sick of all these people calling into talk radio shows saying, "He's a Muslim," referring to Barrack Obama, or his pastor. It obviously isn't true, and if it was true, I don't see anything wrong with that. They're constantly using it in an inflaming, derogatory way.

Alfred

Gah, Canadian culture interfering with my political posts again.

Apparently Barack Obama supports homosexuality, though. Not sure where I read that.

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sleepy jack

I'm not saying I agree with it at all or anything like that in fact I disagree but I've seen (many) Americans confuse Islam/Muslim/Terrorist before. I mean the fact they use it in a derogatory manner and no one says "Who cares?" just "He's not" really does say alot in itself.

A good deal of christians do too and the bible never says "kill homosexuals" or anything but there's a huge difference between supporting something and being something. If you were to be something like that you'd probably (at least in the current acceptance climate) find yourself less welcome than if you just supported it. I've seen homophobia pretty daily and some people (mostly religious wackos) are still pretty avidly against it. I mean in the 50s/60s/70s people we're still fighting for black/woman rights the idea of a black/woman president would've been considered completely crazy. Homosexuals are fighting for their rights now and it's a pretty similar idea.

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Alfred

I know, but I was responding to this:

The bible does say that, I am aware, but as you said, there are places that say "sex is meant for a man and woman". And there's something about "it is wrong for a man to lie down with another man".

Really, those Christians aren't following their religion very well.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Oh great , another Christians / Homosexuals argument.

Not had one of those for a couple of weeks.

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Alfred

Well, that's my last post in this thread. I've learned from past experiances, it's pointless arguing about these matters. 99.9 percent of the time, you're not going to change thier opinions.

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