Originally Posted by ComingUpRoses

Because cloning goes against nature in everyway possible?

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

It's true, in a sense because nature is too disordered to generate perfect replicas. But just because it's counter to nature doesn't make it bad.

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

then i suggest you smash your computer because that certainly didn't grow out of anything natural

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

It's true, in a sense because nature is too disordered to generate perfect replicas. But just because it's counter to nature doesn't make it bad.

Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

Here's my idea: You can take it at face value, or toss it down the drain, whatever.

Back during the Reagan years, American leaders were looking for some way, and any way to bolster the American economy. If there's one thing we just can't get enough of, it's money. So, they started to think about how to make more money. They looked at China and India, and saw billions of people living there, and for the most part peacefully, while not necessarily with great financial results in those times.

The U.S. said, 'Hey, we're already teaching half the kids in school that they're losers, and that society has no use for them, other than mindless, boring, grunt work. Why don't we just continue to build, and capitalize on the industrial sector, by making more and more of those losers?' And so it begain, IMO, that around this time, they began heavily selling sex on T.V., in magazines, and all over billboards across America. We were beginning to be bombarded with sex, left and right. You practically couldn't walk out of your house without thinking about sex.

This also coincided with the time that evangelists starting getting bigger and crazier. Church this, and church that, and they day of reckoning, and worship Jesus or you're going to hell.

The D.A.R.E. programs in schools are just a sociological experiment. They were set up to see how much kids are effected by moral policing, and it doesn't work. Just about every kid I knew in the D.A.R.E. program ended up taking drugs. It's mostly just because when society tells us something is wrong, we become interested in it, and want to try it. We want to see what the hubbub is about. We want to see why some people say it's so great, and why some people say, it's so awful.

So it goes with the church, and its message of abstinence from pre-marital sex. Personally, I just think it's a massive conspiracy by the government. Here, we have this huge portion of society, the Christians, telling us love god, and love jesus, and turn from sin. Don't be of sin, don't be of the flesh. And then, you take a stroll through the downtown portion of anyone of our major cities, and you see billboards, and pictures of half-clad beautiful women drinking beers. Somehow, it just doesn't make any sense.

That's why I say that it's not just a coincidence. I say that it is a preoccupance of the ultra-capitalist R to continually jam messages of abstinence in our ears, and then ensuring that CIA/government driven media continues to bombard us with sexually driven commercials and aesthetics in our eyes. All this confusion causes a mental combustion, that makes your head want to explode. Either that, or you want to rebel by going out and doing the thing they say is wrong, don't you? don't you? Remember, it is the R who wants to do away with abortion, and sex education.

It's all a plan to get mindless twats who can't think for themselves to be overcome with the feeling that if you're not down with sex, you're somehow not with it. You're not down. You're not in with the in crowd. You're not living the life that those cool, sexy people on the commercials are living. And so, you have no choice. Your book smarts wave bye-bye to you long ago, and now, all you can do is try to be hip, and be with it, because if you're not doing that, what are you going to be doing?

What I'm trying to say with this rant is that sometimes the best intentioned plans, if only highly deceitful, can have unintended consequences. So, we're able to produce more humans in this country. Many times the most helpless and desperate people are the ones that end of having babies. Why, you ask? Well, because they need company, in the form of a baby, in the form of an otherwise dead-beat dad, whoever. Our sex-starved society has also taken on the notion that sex is a form of love, where only love is love, and when true love is achieved, sex can transcend that love.

Many of the children of these desperate individuals end up being walking crime kinetics. It's not even their fault is what's sad. It's not really even the parent's fault. The government needs to wake up, and realize that people are not as strong and smart as they used to be in making choices. They need to realize that we only need a super cross-country encompassing stupid breed, if we were able to all make it work. It's starting to not work as well.

Originally Posted by chartsengrafs

nature is too disordered to make perfect replicas? can you give me some sort of fact to back up this claim? because.. i might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure that cells replicate themselves all the time. also... can you disprove the contention that my heart and your heart are any more different to one another than a human clone would be to a regular joe?