Musical Thievery (American, iPod, covers, quote, artists)

TheBig3 · 03-14-2008, 05:40 PM

lol, wild.

I'm sure that was supposed to be a jab but I don't care, who the hell would hunt down a spanish commercial for an audi?

Tom Waits might be Jesus.

Inuzuka Skysword · 03-17-2008, 09:42 AM

I don't understand why any of this is a big deal. Intellectual Property is such a dumb thought.

TheBig3 · 03-17-2008, 10:40 AM

How and why would you say that?

Inuzuka Skysword · 03-17-2008, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

How and why would you say that?

You guys are throwing a fit over a business using a song without regulation. How dumb is that? At least the music will have spread. The whole debate comes down to how you feel about intellectual property, which is why I stated my feelings on it.

TheBig3 · 03-17-2008, 11:41 AM

Actually, it comes down more to the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to support yourself with someone elses things.

Do you agree with Reagan using "born in the U.S.A?" No ones making money on it, and Reagan was a shoe it anyway, but it comes down more to what you want something you've created to go toward.

Not to mention intellectual property has many real world functions that without, you can see the results of in China where everythings pirated and sold wholesale for the lowest price possible.

Outsmarting and outthinking someone else allows the little guy to level the playing field against monoliths with much more money.

Inuzuka Skysword · 03-17-2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Actually, it comes down more to the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to support yourself with someone elses things.

Do you agree with Reagan using "born in the U.S.A?" No ones making money on it, and Reagan was a shoe it anyway, but it comes down more to what you want something you've created to go toward.

Not to mention intellectual property has many real world functions that without, you can see the results of in China where everythings pirated and sold wholesale for the lowest price possible.

Outsmarting and outthinking someone else allows the little guy to level the playing field against monoliths with much more money.

So now we don't believe in freedom of the press, speech, etc. just because we don't agree with something. What the heck is that? It seems that people are willing to sacrifice freedoms for some imaginative utopia. Not to mention that when this happens the society is screwed up (China, USSR, etc.)

Now about the intellectual property, China is not a good comparison here because of the freedom they are given by the government. Not to mention that the market isn't truly "free."

TheBig3 · 03-17-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

So now we don't believe in freedom of the press, speech, etc. just because we don't agree with something. What the heck is that? It seems that people are willing to sacrifice freedoms for some imaginative utopia. Not to mention that when this happens the society is screwed up (China, USSR, etc.)

Now about the intellectual property, China is not a good comparison here because of the freedom they are given by the government. Not to mention that the market isn't truly "free."

Which market isn’t truly free? Theirs or ours?
Whats freedom of the press or speech have to do with saying you can’t pirate the **** out of something for your own personal gain?

Tell me whats fair about a few guys, spending years learning to play instruments, months to make an album, and days to make a song for some TNC to come in, take what they see fit and then use it as they wish for their own gain?

You’re also staring down the barrel of a stifling of will. Why create something decent if its going to be used for something you don’t agree with. Many a scientist moved against the use of nuclear knowledge because it was being used to kill people. Its not unheard of its logical.

What imaginative utopia are we creating by the way? One in which people are credited with their own inventions?

Dr_Rez · 03-17-2008, 12:52 PM

I have to partially agree with Nose Claims. As much as people do not like companies making money off artists and stealing music for commercials, movies, and whatever they might use it for, it helps the artist greatly. For example not many people these days know about the band Phantom Planet, (talking about younger people) but now because of the OC they are selling many more albums.

sleepy jack · 03-17-2008, 12:56 PM

Yeah but I think both of you are missing a huge point here. What if the artist doesn't want to be on the OC? What if the artist has moral disagreements with the company using their music? What if they just think the OC is a shitty show? I'm sure if the artist was asked he'd take all that into account but most credible artists care more about their credibility and morals than they do making money. It's why they're good artists.

TheBig3 · 03-17-2008, 01:02 PM

The point is not sales. And thats where we are failing.

When iPod does new music, it helps new artists. Who really knew "flathead" before that? When American Idol covers a song so that they can use it in a Ford commercial and sell SUV's, it doesn't help a god damn person.

Especially when you consider its a song from, what 1996/7? And its not like most folks havn't heard it. They still play it here inexplicably.

"you get to be a billionaire too" plays well with **** bands who are in it for the money, not for people who like to make music. Its not even cake preforming it.

03-14-2008, 05:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Actually, it comes down more to the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to support yourself with someone elses things. Do you agree with Reagan using "born in the U.S.A?" No ones making money on it, and Reagan was a shoe it anyway, but it comes down more to what you want something you've created to go toward. Not to mention intellectual property has many real world functions that without, you can see the results of in China where everythings pirated and sold wholesale for the lowest price possible. Outsmarting and outthinking someone else allows the little guy to level the playing field against monoliths with much more money. __________________ I've moved to a new address

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03-17-2008, 01:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	The point is not sales. And thats where we are failing. When iPod does new music, it helps new artists. Who really knew "flathead" before that? When American Idol covers a song so that they can use it in a Ford commercial and sell SUV's, it doesn't help a god damn person. Especially when you consider its a song from, what 1996/7? And its not like most folks havn't heard it. They still play it here inexplicably. "you get to be a billionaire too" plays well with **** bands who are in it for the money, not for people who like to make music. Its not even cake preforming it. __________________ I've moved to a new address

03-17-2008, 09:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	I don't understand why any of this is a big deal. Intellectual Property is such a dumb thought.