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s_k · 03-23-2011, 09:53 PM

I'm not saying it is good, I'm saying it's not 'just bad'.

And Extermism and Fundamentalism... thin line.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-24-2011, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I think most older people should get at least a little respect from younger people simply for the fact that, generally, older people are more experienced with certain things and, generally, know what the hell they're talking about. So advice from them about certain matters is usually more valuable than people tend to think.
All of us are going to be old and more wise than we currently are now, so wouldn't you want to be regarded with a little credit when you offer your wisdom to younger, more inexperienced people, about stuff you know about, when you're in that situation?

I don't think it's an excuse to be self-righteous, but I think a lot of times, younger people see it that way by default when they think they're right, because they're only seeing things from one perspective. Experience and hindsight lets you see things from a better vantage point. That can be pretty valuable to someone who's willing to use it to their advantage, but unfortunately, most younger people don't see it that way.

I don't think age brings with it some kind of fundamental superiority or entitlement or anything... I just think it's a better position to be in if your opinion is going to be worth something.

So her continuously talking over me without letting me defend myself and constantly putting me down and lying to me is worth respecting her for?

She said my mom had an eating problem and drank too much. This is coming from a woman who got ridiculously drunk in restaurants and abused her husband, embarrassing everyone. Once she was so drunk she hit her husband and he left her an aa card and called my dad for help.

In saying this, apart from her I have huge respect for my elders. I find them incredibly valuable and interesting. I love hearing of times before I was alive.

djchameleon · 03-24-2011, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

True, but there are also times where it's far better to avoid pitfalls rather than experience them. The point is, it's more likely you'll be able to make better decisions by at least considering advice and taking those things into account. You can still get to where you're going without having to hit every pot-hole on the way. Learning and experience is a good thing when you make good decisions that lead to good outcomes, or, at the very least, outcomes that you don't end up having to live with and regret for the rest of your life. The kind of respect I'm talking about is being mature enough to take things under advisement instead of automatically assuming that your own perception of things is the best method for you... especially considering the fact that people change DRASTICALLY in the way they think throughout their lives. I think it's better to put more weight on an opinion that knows this, rather than one that is completely ignorant of it, as is true in a lot of cases.

I agree with you completely especially the part I bolded. I respect their wisdom and take their advice into consideration when venturing into something that I have no experience in but I also like to screw up for myself and hit those same pot holes. Maybe I'm just a different kind of person than you are but I don't mind hitting every single pot hole a long the way if it means that I can learn from those experiences on a 1-1 basis. I want first hand experience...not to just completely avoid something based off of some third hand experience/tales. I want to enjoy life and live it just like they were able to.

I just don't like how they feel because they have this wisdom that the younger generation owes them some sort of automatic self righteous type of respect. It's completely egotistical in my opinion.

MoonlitSunshine · 03-24-2011, 06:28 AM

Probably because that's the way they were treated when they were younger - it's the kind of thing that works generationally.

As for the extremism stuff - I think the distinction is that having an extreme view isn't in itself that bad (See Galileo, Columbus, Daniel Jackson). It's when your extremist view will directly impinge on the rights of someone else that it becomes a problem, especially when such extremism leads to behaviour exactly like that which the person is arguing against: Extreme Feminists persecuting men for persecuting women, like Militant Atheists preaching about how God doesn't exist... Neither thing is necessarily bad in itself, but like almost every opinion or mindset in the world, if taken to "Extremes" it becomes a problem.

crukster · 03-24-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

As for the extremism stuff - I think the distinction is that having an extreme view isn't in itself that bad (See Galileo, Columbus, Daniel Jackson).

eh I dunno, again I'd say there's a difference between "dedication" and outright extremism. I guess what I'm getting at, and the middle ground I'd be willing to settle on is that unneccessary extremism is stupid. For example, it might have been considered extreme to blast a rocket into space to the moon, but we learnt from **** like that. It's hardly unneccessary. There's a clearcut aim, and clearcut rewards, and whatever was neccessary to make it happen was done, using the brains.

Firing 50 rockets randomly into the sky in the hopes one would hit the moon, THAT would be extreme, unneccessary - and when you get down to, really just a half-arsed attempt. It's an extreme action, but there's no real brain power going into it - it's overkill.

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

when such extremism leads to behaviour exactly like that which the person is arguing against: Extreme Feminists persecuting men for persecuting women, like Militant Atheists preaching about how God doesn't exist

The extremists take it so far that they're not even women anymore really, it's like penis envy. It defeats the whole purpose of it, supposed to be equality not similarity.

I'm attracted to strong women, for sure bro. But there's definitly a difference between a strong sexy woman and a masculine butch woman.

Don't even get me started on those sort of "Atheists" man

And my complaint of the day, I walked 5 miles and I've got blisters on my feet. wth man I used to walk 10 and still have enough energy for a run in the evening

noise · 03-24-2011, 03:34 PM

i just found out that someone has been using my social security number for the past 11 years

s_k · 03-24-2011, 04:03 PM

So, what now?

(long time no see by the way!)

**Janszoon** · 03-24-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by noise

i just found out that someone has been using my social security number for the past 11 years

Damn, that sucks. I hope they didn't cause too much damage. How did you find out?

noise · 03-24-2011, 04:56 PM

i checked 3 credit reports and don't see anything out of the ordinary, so i don't think any damage has been done. it's just kind of messed up.

i just got a new job and my employer ran a background check. the results got back today, and my boss told me. i got a name and address, so i filed a police report. not sure what will come of it though...

yeah s_k, i've been away for a while. i moved back to the States, then spent 2 long, tiring months trying to find a job. it was horrible! but now i'm employed, i'm making money, and i can finally relax again

MoonlitSunshine · 03-24-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crukster

eh I dunno, again I'd say there's a difference between "dedication" and outright extremism. I guess what I'm getting at, and the middle ground I'd be willing to settle on is that unneccessary extremism is stupid.

Oh sure, I think everyone will agree with you on that! Just one thing though; how do you plan on deciding what's unnecessary without knowing what the consequences might be? So the earth revolves around the Sun, whoop de doo, world changer that one! Unless, of course, we end up needing to consider the trajectory of the earth with respect to other planetary bodies or our planet as part of a solar system. But I don't think people were really thinking about spaceflight at that stage... Then again with rockets. Wow, what a great idea, being able to spend billions in order to send a tin can into space on "science" missions. Great use of money there! Unless, of course, we ever have need to colonise the universe or find some incredible discovery on another planet...

The problem lies in the fact that it's truly impossible to tell whether was seems like an extreme view at the time may turn out to have been necessary in the future. It's easy to tell with some things (the extremes :P) But with the middle ground? Not so much.

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03-23-2011, 09:53 PM	#7981 (permalink)
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03-24-2011, 06:28 AM	#7984 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,088	Probably because that's the way they were treated when they were younger - it's the kind of thing that works generationally. As for the extremism stuff - I think the distinction is that having an extreme view isn't in itself that bad (See Galileo, Columbus, Daniel Jackson). It's when your extremist view will directly impinge on the rights of someone else that it becomes a problem, especially when such extremism leads to behaviour exactly like that which the person is arguing against: Extreme Feminists persecuting men for persecuting women, like Militant Atheists preaching about how God doesn't exist... Neither thing is necessarily bad in itself, but like almost every opinion or mindset in the world, if taken to "Extremes" it becomes a problem. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?" - Arthur Dent

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03-24-2011, 04:03 PM	#7987 (permalink)
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03-24-2011, 04:56 PM	#7989 (permalink)
noise thirsty ears Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Boulder Posts: 742	i checked 3 credit reports and don't see anything out of the ordinary, so i don't think any damage has been done. it's just kind of messed up. i just got a new job and my employer ran a background check. the results got back today, and my boss told me. i got a name and address, so i filed a police report. not sure what will come of it though... yeah s_k, i've been away for a while. i moved back to the States, then spent 2 long, tiring months trying to find a job. it was horrible! but now i'm employed, i'm making money, and i can finally relax again __________________ my flac collection