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Old 01-14-2023, 10:00 AM   #24791 (permalink)
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Seriously? You think that's a lot of characters?
Jeez cripes Troll, READ posts better before replying.

It's a lot of characters FOR KOONTZ. I only brought it (and Swan Song) up cause someone mentioned not liking The Stand cause it had too many characters.

You should check out Watchers. Having been through at least a dozen or more of his books, it's his best book by far.
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Old 01-14-2023, 10:05 AM   #24792 (permalink)
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Jeez cripes Troll, READ posts better before replying.

It's a lot of characters FOR KOONTZ. I only brought it (and Swan Song) up cause someone mentioned not liking The Stand cause it had too many characters.

You should check out Watchers. Having been through at least a dozen or more of his books, it's his best book by far.
To be clear, it's not that I don't like The Stand for having too many characters, it's because the perspective and narration switches between all those characters every chapter or so. I have no problem with a lot of characters, but when the perspective switches between all of them frequently, it became difficult for me to keep track of things.
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Old 01-14-2023, 10:11 AM   #24793 (permalink)
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To be clear, it's not that I don't like The Stand for having too many characters, it's because the perspective and narration switches between all those characters every chapter or so.
Same exact issue with both Strangers and Swan Song - at least for the 1st half of the books or so.
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Old 01-14-2023, 11:38 AM   #24794 (permalink)
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Jeez cripes Troll, READ posts better before replying.

It's a lot of characters FOR KOONTZ. I only brought it (and Swan Song) up cause someone mentioned not liking The Stand cause it had too many characters.

You should check out Watchers. Having been through at least a dozen or more of his books, it's his best book by far.
To be fair, it's not me who needs to read it's you who needs to check what you write. You just presented a list of characters, said they were from his book, and didn't clarify that that was not the standard MO for the writer. Your post reads "wow! Look! This is a lot of characters!" NOT "Wow! Look! This is a lot of characters FOR THIS WRITER!" Besides, if that's the point you're making then you're proving my own point, that that was an exception, and that what I said was correct: normally, he doesn't use a ton of characters in his story. Like I say, in DRotH there are about four main ones. Plenty others come and go, but the only ones you need to keep an eye on are Roy Miro, Spencer Grant, the dog Rocky (though he's always with Grant anyway) and Valerie Keene, who only shows up as an actual character from part two of the book. I never had a problem keeping up with any of his character list in other novels of his. Therefore I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, exactly.
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To be clear, it's not that I don't like The Stand for having too many characters, it's because the perspective and narration switches between all those characters every chapter or so. I have no problem with a lot of characters, but when the perspective switches between all of them frequently, it became difficult for me to keep track of things.
Perspectives and timelines, on the other hand, can be hard to keep straight in your head. It's like, is this now or then? Is this him/her talking or someone talking about him/her talking? If that's not handled correctly it can be very confusing.
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You just presented a list of characters, said they were from his book, and didn't clarify that that was not the standard MO for the writer.
Whatever Trolls.
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Have you read Notes from the Underground? It's a first person novella you can read in one sitting and it's ****ing great. Probably the first representation in literature of the resentment of being excluded from modern society, of being a "superfluous man" as they called it in Russia. Funny too
No. I read the brothers Karamazov and The Idiot when I was in the program. I enjoyed them both a lot but that's all I've read by him. I tried reading crime and punishment years prior but I got bored and didn't make it very far in. I remember looking at notes from the Underground when I was looking for books to order in the program and I picked The Idiot instead.
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Partner accused me of “showing my privilege” when I criticized their coworker for not putting enough thought into their decision to “get into hunting.”

If you’re living in CA in 2023 you’re not hunting out of necessity, you’re simply a sportsman dickbag.

But f me for being so judgmental, right?
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If you’re living in CA in 2023 you’re not hunting out of necessity, you’re simply a sportsman dickbag.
Unless you eat it, it's self defense, or predator control, I agree.
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Partner accused me of “showing my privilege” when I criticized their coworker for not putting enough thought into their decision to “get into hunting.”

If you’re living in CA in 2023 you’re not hunting out of necessity, you’re simply a sportsman dickbag.

But f me for being so judgmental, right?
Please give us detailed play by play so we can hurl judgement with greater precision.
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Partner accused me of “showing my privilege” when I criticized their coworker for not putting enough thought into their decision to “get into hunting.”

If you’re living in CA in 2023 you’re not hunting out of necessity, you’re simply a sportsman dickbag.

But f me for being so judgmental, right?
who gives a ****? If you eat meat then you aren't any better. People just live in the convenient comfort of being 2 or 3 steps removed from the brutality their lifestyles are dependant on.

I relate to the idea of hunting even though I've never done it. It seems like there is something primal about stalking and hunting prey that is so far removed from the kind of existence I've known that I look at it with this weird sort of nostalgia for something I never even experienced.
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