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02-21-2021, 12:18 AM | #24451 (permalink) | |
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And you can't choose to numb yourself You know what numbs people? Consistent exposure to pain. The numbness is a natural defense mechanism. Its a psychological immune system. |
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02-21-2021, 12:24 AM | #24452 (permalink) |
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idk why you're trying to debate me, I was helping you make your point at elphenor
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02-21-2021, 04:34 AM | #24454 (permalink) | ||
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jwb's description of the average life is true though, and I think it's one of the most profound human problems. I don't think it's entirely fair to say people expect to be happy: it's just that in modern times people actually have come to a point where they question their existence to an extent that they ask themselves if their life is worth living without more happiness and fulfillment. And the answer is often depressingly close to 'no'.
I also think it doesn't help that modern society claims to be egalitarian to keep poor people at peace, without actually being so. Throughout history, class distinction was much more obvious and rigid, so if some aristocrat had a better life people were like 'yea that's how it is', but if there's this claim that everyone is equal while some people have a much better life, you'll ask yourself 'why not me?'. I do think it's sensible to try to seek fulfillment in the small things in life, coping with reality isn't necessarily resigning to it. I really don't think jwb was trying to defend this reality, just doubting whether we can ever give the average person the fulfilling life they'd like. Which I agree with, even though I think we should try.
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02-21-2021, 05:33 AM | #24456 (permalink) | |
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I don't day anything of this to say we can't possibly get rid of wage slavery etc in the future. Just that doing so... That will be the actual deviation from the norm of what the human condition is like. That would be an even more drastic change in the human condition than the invention of agriculture and the industrial revolution combined. I'm not as optimistic about the inevitability of this transformation happening if we live long enough... But it do agree it's worth pursuing. |
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02-21-2021, 07:30 AM | #24457 (permalink) | |
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02-21-2021, 11:57 AM | #24459 (permalink) | |
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You said we aren't working to survive. I was saying we are. Yes people get surplus wealth off your labor too but the real consequence of you deciding not to work it's you starve, not them. I never implied not liking work was something new. I said quite explicitly that not wanting to work but having to do so anyway is and was the default human condition. |
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02-21-2021, 12:11 PM | #24460 (permalink) | |||
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I dunno why you and others constantly try to make this some kind of moral issue when it's just human life in a nutshell - everyone takes advantage of whatever good someone else established at a previous point in time, whether that's a technological innovation or anything else you take for granted. None of us start from zero or in a vacuum. I've never taken credit for the work that others around me have done. If I make a sale, I get credit for making that sale happen because I'm the one who prospected the opportunity, brought the conversation to a certain point and then established the terms and conditions to move ahead on whatever the deliverable is. I didn't make some lackey do that work for me.
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