The Bitch Box

fiddler · 09-24-2015, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I just don't think it's anyone's place to physically stop someone else from ending their own life, and using your authority as an officer of the law to cuff him is something I can't get behind. I can respect that you're the type of person who takes action against things you believe are wrong, we just have differing opinions about the topic. I can't get behind telling people what they can and can not do to themselves, their body, their life, their choice.

The difference in opinions is perfectly fine, you're entitled to yours as I am to mine. But I will not allow my friend to just hang them self. And as far as "using your authority as an officer of the law", please refer to US Army Policy:

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b. Intervention attempts to prevent a life crisis or BH disorder from leading to suicidal thoughts or behavior by helping someone manage suicidal thoughts and by taking action to intervene when a suicide appears imminent. It encourages and/or mandates professional assistance to handle a particular crisis or treat a BH illness. Early involvement is a crucial factor in suicide-risk reduction. Intervention includes addressing the conditions that produced the current crisis, treating the underlying psychiatric disorder(s) that contributed to suicidal thoughts, and providing follow-up care to assure problem resolution. This may also include inspecting and modifying a person’s environment, such as removing items that an individual may use to harm him or herself when residing on post, or requesting surrender of items when off post, and providing close monitoring and care from a buddy. Commanders play an integral part during this phase, as it is their responsibility to ensure a particular problem or crisis has been resolved before assuming the threat has passed.
c. Postvention is required when an individual has attempted or completed a suicide. After an attempt, commanders, NCOs, supervisors, and installation gatekeepers must take steps to secure and protect such individuals before they cause additional harm to themselves and/or others. Postvention activities also include unit-level interventions following a completed suicide to minimize adverse psychological reactions to the event, prevent or minimize the potential for suicide contagion, strengthen unit cohesion, and promote continued mission readiness.

When he put the belt around his neck and tested his theory, that is an attempt. Guess who enforces US Army regulations? MPs. I am both MP and NCO, so I'm well within my authority. Forgive me if I sound attacking, but I get the feeling you feel that I abused my position/power. If that's not the case, apologies for jumping to conclusions.

DwnWthVwls · 09-24-2015, 04:51 PM

Based on your explanation it doesn't sound like he was attempting suicide. Sounds like he wanted to know what it felt like with no intention of going threw with it at that point. If I'm wrong than yes you were within your rights, but I still don't agree, or believe you should have those rights.

Edit: I don't feel like going back and reading the story again so if I'm wrong ignore the first two sentences.

fiddler · 09-24-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Based on your explanation it doesn't sound like he was attempting suicide. Sounds like he wanted to know what it felt like with no intention of going threw with it at that point. If I'm wrong then yes you were within your rights, but I still don't agree, or believe you should have those rights.

The reasonable definition of attempting suicide is putting oneself into harms way that a reasonable person would understand that death is a possible consequence of the action. He put the belt around his neck, and tightened it, then attempted to go to sleep, in the hopes that maybe it would kill him during the night (I have the Skype conversation). Civilian cops can do the same thing in similar situations. YOU can do a similar thing in similar situations. And rest assured, that if you were to be standing on a bridge about to jump off, and a civilian cop drove by, they would probably stop and try to talk you down, call a bus, etc. If they were successful in talking you down, you would be placed under arrest for the "reasonable prevention in loss of human life" and taken to a hospital.

DwnWthVwls · 09-24-2015, 05:03 PM

Are people who willingly take part in breathe play kink potential targets? or the people who take selfies hanging by one hand off a 1000 ft drop?

I let the bridge jumpers end their lives. I'd rather spend my time helping people who want to live. Btw, my 21 year old cousin hung himself in July and a friend in high school also did after his relationship ended so don't think I don't understand where you're coming from.

fiddler · 09-24-2015, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Are people who willingly take part in breathe play kink potential targets? or the people who take selfies hanging by one hand off a 1000 ft drop?

I let the bridge jumpers end their lives. I'd rather spend my time helping people who want to live. Btw, my 21 year old cousin hung himself in July and a friend in high school also did after his relationship ended so don't think I don't understand where you're coming from.

No, they're not as the intent is not to end your life. And that's fine. Our opinions of human life are different, there's no use in beating the dead horse into the ground.

grindy · 09-24-2015, 05:21 PM

If someone is really intent on commiting suicide, then yes, he will eventually kill himself.
So what does it matter, if he's been prevented that one time?
But the very real chance, that this person might reconsider it and eventually be thankful for the interference, makes it worth trying and the right thing to do.

Lucem Ferre · 09-24-2015, 10:55 PM

I might just be a really cold person, but I don't think every human life is as precious. I think we have a population problem that is growing and if somebody wants to die then let them die. We have way too many thoughtless drones just taking up space on this planet. Though, the dude is informing everybody and talking about it all the time it's more of a cry for help or attention. So making him go might be the right thing. Or not. Who cares? It's not like he's getting away with killing unarmed black people or accidentally shooting up innocent middle eastern families.

The real person that I hate that everybody seemed to praise is Bruce Jenner that titty getting, bull**** award receiving fake ass punk. I swear that dude only got a pear of tits to distract people from the fact that he killed some poor lady in a car crash late 2014. Dude wouldn't even provide financial compensation to the family. By god, at least pay for the damned funeral you cowardly bastard. I hate that guy so much.

The Batlord · 09-24-2015, 11:15 PM

Dude, that is totally Dirty. I even seem to remember him having a thing against Bruce Jenner. Maybe it's just my imagination.

Lucem Ferre · 09-24-2015, 11:53 PM

I'm dirty for the first comment or the Bruce Jenner comment?

Aux-In · 09-25-2015, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Dude, that is totally Dirty. I even seem to remember him having a thing against Bruce Jenner. Maybe it's just my imagination.

JWB if you ask me.

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09-24-2015, 05:21 PM	#20966 (permalink)
grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	If someone is really intent on commiting suicide, then yes, he will eventually kill himself. So what does it matter, if he's been prevented that one time? But the very real chance, that this person might reconsider it and eventually be thankful for the interference, makes it worth trying and the right thing to do. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

09-24-2015, 10:55 PM	#20967 (permalink)
Lucem Ferre Cuter Than Post Malone. Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 4,978	I might just be a really cold person, but I don't think every human life is as precious. I think we have a population problem that is growing and if somebody wants to die then let them die. We have way too many thoughtless drones just taking up space on this planet. Though, the dude is informing everybody and talking about it all the time it's more of a cry for help or attention. So making him go might be the right thing. Or not. Who cares? It's not like he's getting away with killing unarmed black people or accidentally shooting up innocent middle eastern families. The real person that I hate that everybody seemed to praise is Bruce Jenner that titty getting, bull**** award receiving fake ass punk. I swear that dude only got a pear of tits to distract people from the fact that he killed some poor lady in a car crash late 2014. Dude wouldn't even provide financial compensation to the family. By god, at least pay for the damned funeral you cowardly bastard. I hate that guy so much.

09-24-2015, 11:53 PM	#20969 (permalink)
Lucem Ferre Cuter Than Post Malone. Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 4,978	I'm dirty for the first comment or the Bruce Jenner comment?