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Key · 12-16-2014, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

different strokes i guess. i could probably deal with the lack of material wealth ok, just not the anxiety of bills and having to deal with ****ty dead end jobs.

I see where you're coming from. I applaud you for wanting to get out into the world and do more with yourself. A lot of people don't do that, so it's nice to see it.

GuD · 12-16-2014, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Very good points. I will also mention that growing up, my parents didn't have a lot of money to spare. We didn't grow up on food stamps, but I know what it can be like to not be able to have the next best thing right away. It's weird though because although my parents were so good with money as I grew up, I sort of took the opposite route and was never really too careful with my money because even though I pay bills and rent, I still manage to make enough money to live comfortably. And I make a little over minimum wage. I might just be talking about nothing now. I just think that with people who both don't make a lot, and don't have a lot of money, shouldn't necessarily be considered poor if they've been able to purchase things that give them a comfortable life, be it an apartment, television, computer, etc.

The way I see it is:

Poverty= Not having the basics or means to get them
Poor= Able to have the bare minimum basics, perhaps a few nicer things with investment.

I could go on but I don't see a reason to.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Well, when you talk about solidarity with one group of people against another, and come off like you sometimes do against that group of people, it's definitely not a million miles away from the kind of insular, us vs. them mentality behind other forms of prejudice.

I have a temper and shouldn't always be taken entirely seriously. Still, if hating people for treating me like the help and preferring the company of those who understand that feeling or make an effort not to be oppressive in that way makes me prejudiced so be it I guess. I should elaborate and say that I've met plenty of well-off people who are very well-mannered and appreciative. But, in my experience, that's simply not the case with the majority of the people I'm dealing with.

I guess that's a pretty valid criticism though. It's pretty biased to sympathize with the perhaps unsavory characters of the underworld and not with the uppity snooters. I suppose someone who grows up pampered and around people who treat the less fortunate poorly is pretty likely to adopt the same mentality.

Key · 12-16-2014, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

The way I see it is:

Poverty= Not having the basics or means to get them
Poor= Able to have the bare minimum basics, perhaps a few nicer things with investment.

I could go on but I don't see a reason to.

Those aren't terrible definitions. And just bare in mind that I'm just enjoying the discussion we're having because I find it interesting. I still think that the term "poor" can be misleading in so many different ways. If I were to have it my way, I would probably put your definition as an official definition of the word because it's exactly what i've been getting at. The common misconception is that people think the word "poor" means you're basically homeless.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-16-2014, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

I have a temper and shouldn't always be taken entirely seriously. Still, if hating people for treating me like the help and preferring the company of those who understand that feeling or make an effort not to be oppressive in that way makes me prejudiced so be it I guess. I should elaborate and say that I've met plenty of well-off people who are very well-mannered and appreciative. But, in my experience, that's simply not the case with the majority of the people I'm dealing with.

I guess that's a pretty valid criticism though. It's pretty biased to sympathize with the perhaps unsavory characters of the underworld and not with the uppity snooters. I suppose someone who grows up pampered and around people who treat the less fortunate poorly is pretty likely to adopt the same mentality.

then again you can justify racism, xenophobia and bigotry in general by appealing to human nature as well. you can probably even justify psychopathic behavior in this way. so at the end of the day i don't think you need to be apologetic for disliking people you find unpleasant.

GuD · 12-16-2014, 01:05 AM

Yeah, the words 'poor' and 'poverty' definitely take on different meanings to different people. Homelessness is so tricky because there are sooooooooooo many factors that go into it besides class.

@JWB I was thinking about that too but couldn't put the thoughts to words.

Key · 12-16-2014, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

Yeah, the words 'poor' and 'poverty' definitely take on different meanings to different people. Homelessness is so tricky because there are sooooooooooo many factors that go into it besides class.

I'll be honest. I kind of regret bringing up homelessness since a lot of homeless people that I meet around where I live are some of the coolest people on earth.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-16-2014, 01:07 AM

imo the proper terminology should be

poor/working class people = peasants
homeless people = gypsies

GuD · 12-16-2014, 01:17 AM

Yeah... I mean there are those voluntarily homeless drifter/bohemian types for sure. But like Ki said there's also just a lot of really ****ed up people (be it from drugs, disabilities, etc) who can't take care of themselves and don't know how to get help.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-16-2014, 01:22 AM

yea, that's the only kind i've ever met tbh. i've never met a voluntary homeless person in my life. my dad was in the sobriety program himself, so he knew a lot of them.

The Batlord · 12-16-2014, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

yea, that's the only kind i've ever met tbh. i've never met a voluntary homeless person in my life. my dad was in the sobriety program himself, so he knew a lot of them.

I imagine that's probably a San Fransisco thing.

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12-16-2014, 01:05 AM	#17595 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	Yeah, the words 'poor' and 'poverty' definitely take on different meanings to different people. Homelessness is so tricky because there are sooooooooooo many factors that go into it besides class. @JWB I was thinking about that too but couldn't put the thoughts to words. __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

12-16-2014, 01:17 AM	#17598 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	Yeah... I mean there are those voluntarily homeless drifter/bohemian types for sure. But like Ki said there's also just a lot of really ****ed up people (be it from drugs, disabilities, etc) who can't take care of themselves and don't know how to get help. __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	imo the proper terminology should be poor/working class people = peasants homeless people = gypsies

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	yea, that's the only kind i've ever met tbh. i've never met a voluntary homeless person in my life. my dad was in the sobriety program himself, so he knew a lot of them.