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The Batlord · 03-15-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei

decent point.

Yeah, cars are ...dunno. Never had one, never will have one, never will need one. Everything is connected by train & bus systems, even if you don't live in the city. And if you go by train, it's cheaper than driving with a car

Some bigger cities have subways, but in general we're on our own. Most cities I imagine have bus systems, but they're generally not all that great and associated with...not quite reputable patrons. Besides, in America taking the bus is like telling the entire world what a poor, loser schmuck you are. Most people who ride the bus are doing so simply because they can't afford a car.

And like I said, American cities are very spread out. I ride a bike and only have a few rinky dink shopping centers within a few miles. Jobs are pretty much limited to whatever minimum wage, entry level hate****s I can get at McDonald's, Wal-Mart, or...I think there's a Bed, Bath, & Beyond next to the Wal-Mart...I think. Everything else is residential, and I don't live in the suburbs by any stretch of the imagination. Even with a college degree I'd be pretty much SOL without a car.

**Janszoon** · 03-15-2014, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Some bigger cities have subways, but in general we're on our own. Most cities I imagine have bus systems, but they're generally not all that great and associated with...not quite reputable patrons. Besides, in America taking the bus is like telling the entire world what a poor, loser schmuck you are. Most people who ride the bus are doing so simply because they can't afford a car.

And like I said, American cities are very spread out. I ride a bike and only have a few rinky dink shopping centers within a few miles. Jobs are pretty much limited to whatever minimum wage, entry level hate****s I can get at McDonald's, Wal-Mart, or...I think there's a Bed, Bath, & Beyond next to the Wal-Mart...I think. Everything else is residential, and I don't live in the suburbs by any stretch of the imagination. Even with a college degree I'd be pretty much SOL without a car.

Depends on the city. Many aren't spread out too. The one I live in isn't.

Kartoffelbrei · 03-15-2014, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Some bigger cities have subways, but in general we're on our own. Most cities I imagine have bus systems, but they're generally not all that great and associated with...not quite reputable patrons. Besides, in America taking the bus is like telling the entire world what a poor, loser schmuck you are. Most people who ride the bus are doing so simply because they can't afford a car.

And like I said, American cities are very spread out. I ride a bike and only have a few rinky dink shopping centers within a few miles. Jobs are pretty much limited to whatever minimum wage, entry level hate****s I can get at McDonald's, Wal-Mart, or...I think there's a Bed, Bath, & Beyond next to the Wal-Mart...I think. Everything else is residential, and I don't live in the suburbs by any stretch of the imagination. Even with a college degree I'd be pretty much SOL without a car.

Crazy. We have people with suit n briefcase sitting in the bus, lol :P
In Germany it means, that you care for the environment, if you go by bus or train.
It's amazing how different points of view are in different countries..

And the other thing is crazy too..a few MILES?!
To go to a store?! Makes me understand why people eat more fast food then
I live in a small village and have to walk 3 minutes and am at a collecting point for shops (which every village has) and about 1 minute to go to the market, which is every wednesday and sometimes sunday, where I can buy whatever hippy crap i need to buy

**Janszoon** · 03-15-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei

Crazy. We have people with suit n briefcase sitting in the bus, lol :P
In Germany it means, that you care for the environment, if you go by bus or train.
It's amazing how different points of view are in different countries.

You get that here too. Just not where Batlord lives. Most places I've lived have had decent public transportation and it is something people use to get to work with.

Paul Smeenus · 03-15-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Depends on the city. Many aren't spread out too. The one I live in isn't.

Cities that grew up before the invention of cars tend to be more condensed

Kartoffelbrei · 03-15-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You get that here too. Just not where Batlord lives.

Ok.
I often forget how big the USA are..

The Batlord · 03-15-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Depends on the city. Many aren't spread out too. The one I live in isn't.

You live in Philadelphia, a city that is about as old as dirt, so it was built up before cars came around. My area is...I don't know, some kind of old, but until the naval base it was a ****ty little longshoreman's town and only built up in the last few decades, so everything is spread out.

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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei

And the other thing is crazy too..a few MILES?!
To go to a store?!

There are really only a few areas where there is any real buildup. And those are commercial districts. There are a few that are sort of historical districts that generally are kept up for historical reasons, but I imagine if they weren't protected they'd probably get bulldozed and we'd have a Wal-Mart and a few fast food joints in their place in a few months. If you wanna know why America doesn't have any culture that's why. There's really no way to interact with the place you live that doesn't involve going halfway across the city. Doesn't really encourage much more than Wal-Marts and fast food joints.

Black Francis · 03-15-2014, 02:40 PM

@Toffel

it's just different cultures with different behaviors and standards, i don't think europe is better than america just cause they eat healthier.

The way i see it is at least in america you have the choice to live in that kind of excess.
It's not that they don't know what's bad for them, it's that they don't care and do it anyway.

@Janzoon

Lets not be full of **** here, ppl love to blame everything but themselves so whether you live in a different country or come from a poor neighborhood you decide what is best for you.

This includes what you eat, the social trends you follow blah, blah

Just cause you're poor it doesn't mean you have to be dumb, just cause there is not a library near you it doesn't mean there is not a library in your town.

Ive lived in projects all my life and these "Poor ppl" (i.e mostly black wannabe thugs) are consciously ignorant, they can't blame the circumstances for how they choose to be, education is free but they don't care for learning.

The Batlord · 03-15-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

@Janzoon

Lets not be full of **** here, ppl love to blame everything but themselves so whether you live in a different country or come from a poor neighborhood you decide what is best for you.

This includes what you eat, the social trends you follow blah, blah

Just cause you're poor it doesn't mean you have to be dumb, just cause there is not a library near you it doesn't mean there is not a library in your town.

Ive lived in projects all my life and these "Poor ppl" (i.e mostly black wannabe thugs) are consciously ignorant, they can't blame the circumstances for how they choose to be, education is free but they don't care for learning.

Like Janzsoon said, yes and no. My family are middle class, possibly even upper middle class, type-A personalities who are highly motivated. Makes me sick. And since they're conditioned to live a middle-class lifestyle, in a middle-class environment, with a middle-class mindset they're motivated to maintain that lifestyle and see no reason why it shouldn't be possible for anyone else to do so.

I've also worked with a lot of people from the other side of the tracks. They're not conditioned by that kind of experience to see that, not so much hard work since they do work their asses off, but the kind of...proactive(?) approach that my family is so used to actually does pay off in the end. A lot of them have a sort of fatalistic view of their lot in life that is reinforced by their environment.

So it is their fault for not taking certain chances that I imagine even the most downtrodden might be able to take, but with the mentality that goes along with that kind of lifestyle it's kind of unfair to think that they would have the mindset to take such chances. Kind of like asking a businessman to sell off all of his worldly possessions to go live as a Buddhist monk. Sure there are Buddhist monks who make a go of it, but it would be completely alien to a Western businessman.

**Janszoon** · 03-15-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

@Janzoon

Lets not be full of **** here, ppl love to blame everything but themselves so whether you live in a different country or come from a poor neighborhood you decide what is best for you.

This includes what you eat, the social trends you follow blah, blah

Just cause you're poor it doesn't mean you have to be dumb, just cause there is not a library near you it doesn't mean there is not a library in your town.

Ive lived in projects all my life and these "Poor ppl" (i.e mostly black wannabe thugs) are consciously ignorant, they can't blame the circumstances for how they choose to be, education is free but they don't care for learning.

It's funny that you say "lets not be full of **** here" and then follow it up with a bunch of oversimplification of a complex issue and a dash of racism. Good work.

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Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	@Toffel it's just different cultures with different behaviors and standards, i don't think europe is better than america just cause they eat healthier. The way i see it is at least in america you have the choice to live in that kind of excess. It's not that they don't know what's bad for them, it's that they don't care and do it anyway. @Janzoon Lets not be full of ** here, ppl love to blame everything but themselves so whether you live in a different country or come from a poor neighborhood you decide what is best for you. This includes what you eat, the social trends you follow blah, blah Just cause you're poor it doesn't mean you have to be dumb, just cause there is not a library near you it doesn't mean there is not a library in your town. Ive lived in projects all my life and these "Poor ppl" (i.e mostly black wannabe thugs) are consciously ignorant, they can't blame the circumstances for how they choose to be, education is free but they don't care for learning. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A