The Saturday 6-Pack

The Batlord · 04-21-2018, 03:21 PM

One more point about public vs private vs home schooling is that I think the socialization aspect is overstated to a degree. Yes it's important to socialize with others, but I don't imagine that poor inner city schools help to socialize their students with anyone other than poor inner city kids, and well-to-do schools only help to socialize students with other well-to-do kids. So as good as socialization is the current system also reinforces class power structures by making sure that poor kids only know how to relate to poor kids, middle class kids only know how to relate to middle class kids, and rich kids only know how to relate to rich kids. Plenty of public schools aren't so segregated but I don't think most people in public schools are really dealing with other people in drastically different walks of life.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 04-21-2018, 03:22 PM

7. What's the most that you've ever spent on a meal?

About £40 but I was buying for other people too. We ate together. I'd spend more, just up to now, I haven't. Most I've spent on myself is a bit less.

8. Would you rather be deaf, blind, or Donald Trump's mistress?

Trump's mistress for sure. I don't want to lose my sight or hearing for a start, but I'm not against the man on man action, and Donald seems like he has good bants. I'd also try and talk him into chilling out a bit and leaving Twitter, for everyone's sake.

9. Tell us a joke.

How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman? None.

10. What's a dish or ingredient that you refuse to eat?

Goats cheese.

Oh and halal meat obviously 👌🐸

11. What's something cool or interesting about where you live that most tourists or newcomers wouldn't know?

We have pigeons that do backward somersaults.

12. What is a trend that you see and would like to go away in a genre that you follow?

Passing off Trap as Grime.

Bonus question: What do you call this animal?

That's a friendly looking dog, mate.

The Batlord · 04-21-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

schools are badly segregated from my experience having gone to The Bad school and The Good school

Exactly, so you're basically supporting the capitalist power structure atm.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

One more point about public vs private vs home schooling is that I think the socialization aspect is overstated to a degree. Yes it's important to socialize with others, but I don't imagine that poor inner city schools help to socialize their students with anyone other than poor inner city kids, and well-to-do schools only help to socialize students with other well-to-do kids. So as good as socialization is the current system also reinforces class power structures by making sure that poor kids only know how to relate to poor kids, middle class kids only know how to relate to middle class kids, and rich kids only know how to relate to rich kids. Plenty of public schools aren't so segregated but I don't think most people in public schools are really dealing with other people in drastically different walks of life.

For about three years I taught some classes with extreme cross-cultural demographics. Everyone says that so I’ll give an example to be clear: kids born in the Middle East, rich white kids, poor black kids, poor white kids, middle class black kids, even intellectual disparities with IQs ranging from 70 to 130 - all in the same classes. The good point was the kids eventually found that every group has statistical outliers. The well-read well-behaved black kids from the projects, rich white kids who couldn’t ****ing read, nerdy looking kids who couldn’t do math, whatever stereotype, it was never universal and exposure to that forces most people to understand that you have to deal with people case-by-case.

But whether it’s work or school it’s wrong to force people to interact. The most profound lesson was people get ****ing sick of each other. Whatever their background, introverted kids were constantly being mind raped by the whole scene. A 13 year old kid who decides to walk out of class and sit outside in the quiet will be arrested. ARRESTED! If I lived a thousand years that would never make any ****ing sense to me. The audacity and arrogance of the school system is unbelievable. I was even told it was illegal for me to quit without notice like I did lol. I’m like **** you bitches I’m grown. But kids should be able to say **** this **** when they get fed up, too. Adults don’t really know what’s best. We **** these kids up until they can’t think straight. It’s insane.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

schools are badly segregated from my experience having gone to The Bad school and The Good school

Desegregation makes a lot of the problems worse.

The Batlord · 04-21-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Desegregation makes a lot of the problems worse.

How so?

That's a legit question btw. I'm asking as someone whose familiarity with public schools is as a student who was more concerned with surviving school than critiquing it.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

How so?

That's a legit question btw. I'm asking as someone whose familiarity with public schools is as a student who was more concerned with surviving school than critiquing it.

Black kids from uneducated families remain uneducated. So that problem isn’t fixed. Then uneducated black kids are so disruptive they make it impossible for anyone else to learn.

Anyone can choose to believe this or not but the news stories that black kids are more sternly punished than white kids for the same offenses is a falsehood. Black kids run roughshod over white middle class teachers who are out of their depth.

The black grandmother (the ultimate matriarch and leader in black communities) wants black kids disciplined in school with an iron fist. The **** the SPLC puts out is white middle class propaganda. The system that governs black schools is WHITE. It’s too gentle for ghetto kids. If black people governed their own schools grandma would be sitting in the back of the class with a switch and any kid who objected would get their ass beat. One generation later they’d be able to ****ing read.

So I figure next I’m going to hear oh so you think black kids should be forced to do this or that. No, I don’t. But more importantly it’s none of my ****ing business.

The idea that poor blacks want a replication of middle class white schools is ridiculous. It’s ridiculous because we’ve been trying it since the 70s and it doesn’t ****ing work.

The Batlord · 04-21-2018, 04:46 PM

Not gonna say that I know how to educate black kids, but just about all the black people I've known have had much the same Irish Catholic attitude about discipline that my family does: spare the rod spoil the child. Physical violence against kids is something to tell stories about and laugh, not call child services about. So I can definitely see OccultHawk's point.

Whether or not it's the best possible method of disciplining children in a vacuum it's a method that many cultures are used to and acculturated to, so it's actually meaningful to them. Hard to argue with something some people see as integral to molding the minds and values of their children.

OccultHawk · 04-21-2018, 04:56 PM

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Physical violence against kids is something to tell stories about and laugh, not call child services about.

Church

It’s just true. My dad joked about it after beating my ass. He said verbatim “Call social services. See how long it takes until some n-gger has his dick in your ass!”

Seeing as to how I grew up in Atlanta his point was well-taken.

**** that’s brutal. Reading it, it almost doesn’t seem real but that’s 100% true.

The Batlord · 04-21-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Church

It’s just true. My dad joked about it after beating my ass. He said verbatim “Call social services. See how long it takes until some n-gger has his dick in your ass!”

Seeing as to how I grew up in Atlanta his point was well-taken.

**** that’s brutal. Reading it, it almost doesn’t seem real but that’s 100% true.

Yeah no, I got plenty of that **** as a child. Like the time I was just playing around on my grandparents piano and making a **** ton of noise and my uncle came up to me and told me to stop. I told him in the brattiest voice possible, "You're not my dad!" and he grabbed me by the jaw in a vice grip and threatened me with violence.

That sounds terrible and all (and it is), but I could never help but feel that when a teacher was dealing with me for doing something equally bratty and they're trying to explain to me calmly why I shouldn't do that that it must not have been nearly as big a deal cause they weren't seizing me by the mouth and scaring the ever loving **** out of me.

It's all well and good to decide that that is a wrong way to deal with children, but it doesn't mean much to that child who was raised that way and when the parents hear that it probably sounds like the degenerate imperialists are trying to educate the natives.

Thanks for making me lose more faith in the human race's ability to coexist.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	7. What's the most that you've ever spent on a meal? About £40 but I was buying for other people too. We ate together. I'd spend more, just up to now, I haven't. Most I've spent on myself is a bit less. 8. Would you rather be deaf, blind, or Donald Trump's mistress? Trump's mistress for sure. I don't want to lose my sight or hearing for a start, but I'm not against the man on man action, and Donald seems like he has good bants. I'd also try and talk him into chilling out a bit and leaving Twitter, for everyone's sake. 9. Tell us a joke. How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman? None. 10. What's a dish or ingredient that you refuse to eat? Goats cheese. Oh and halal meat obviously 👌🐸 11. What's something cool or interesting about where you live that most tourists or newcomers wouldn't know? We have pigeons that do backward somersaults. 12. What is a trend that you see and would like to go away in a genre that you follow? Passing off Trap as Grime. Bonus question: What do you call this animal? That's a friendly looking dog, mate.