The Saturday 6-Pack

TheCunningStunt · 07-03-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

I know people who have definitely abused the system when it comes to getting imaginary depression-related illnesses diagnosed by the doctor. I've considered going to a doctor in the past for depression and i know this makes no sense but these people have put me off doing it. It makes no sense because for those who are genuinely depressed, they can get help. I've never been 100% sure that ive been depressed but when it came to picking up the phone and making an appointment i just figured that if someone could con a doctor into diagnosing them as being depressed when there was nothing wrong with them then do i really want to go to a doctor, have them tell me im depressed and not really know whether i should believe them or not?

I'm glad a fellow Brit has noticed a hole in the system, I wasn't sure if it was me having a lack of information on the subject. But when Lateralus said how intense a process it was, I couldn't believe it. I guess it's just our country that's a bit of a joke. And I can see your apprehension towards it, it's a tired and pointless exercise if someone can get diagnosed with it just because they fancy a week or two off. If someone really needs help, then I don't know how they'd go about getting it. Other than the doctor proscribing time off and meds. I know of someone on meds, my sister's friend. She's EXTREMELY happy every time I've seen her - massive smile on her face. But apparently she's depressed.. I imagine there to be a big come down effect, which wouldn't help at all.

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

That's why if you seriously think you need help for a mental or emotional disorder, you need to go to a mental health professional, not a general practitioner. There are mental health doctors everywhere. If you are serious about getting help, you should really try to get the courage to go to a mental health professional, GPs don't do shit. And like discussed, they just diagnose everyone who comes in wanting a sick note - they don't really know a whole lot about mental illness. That's what I've found anyway.

I wouldn't know of any mental heath professional's around here, I've never heard of any around here. Unless you mean shrinks. If you're saying "you" in a general sense then I totally agree, but if you're referring to me I don't need to waste their time, I'm just moody and pissed off with aspects of life, some of which can be fixed.. some that can't. It's really interesting how people over here with depression would deal with it, I guess seeing a psychiatrist would be the only real option.

Astronomer · 07-03-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I wouldn't know of any mental heath professional's around here, I've never heard of any around here. Unless you mean shrinks. If you're saying "you" in a general sense then I totally agree, but if you're referring to me I don't need to waste their time, I'm just moody and pissed off with aspects of life, some of which can be fixed.. some that can't. It's really interesting how people over here with depression would deal with it, I guess seeing a psychiatrist would be the only real option.

Yeah, I meant 'you' in a general sense, not you specifically

A mental health professional is a medical doctor who has chosen to specialise in mental health. Different from a shrink or a psychiatrist, they are just a general medical doctor but they have acquired extensive knowledge on mental illness for whatever reason and have a lot of patients who are mental illness sufferers. I didn't know they existed either, until my parents took me to a GP for the issue when I was about 16/17 and the GP referred me to a mental health professional in the area. That's probably the best way to go about finding them.

boo boo · 07-03-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

2. How do you rate your technical abillity at the instruments you play?
Screw technical ability, IT'S ABOUT THE PASSION.

This is something only really sh*tty musicians say.

Mojo · 07-03-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I'm glad a fellow Brit has noticed a hole in the system, I wasn't sure if it was me having a lack of information on the subject. But when Lateralus said how intense a process it was, I couldn't believe it. I guess it's just our country that's a bit of a joke. And I can see your apprehension towards it, it's a tired and pointless exercise if someone can get diagnosed with it just because they fancy a week or two off. If someone really needs help, then I don't know how they'd go about getting it. Other than the doctor proscribing time off and meds. I know of someone on meds, my sister's friend. She's EXTREMELY happy every time I've seen her - massive smile on her face. But apparently she's depressed.. I imagine there to be a big come down effect, which wouldn't help at all.

It probably does have a lot to do with getting diagnosed from a GP instead of going down a more accurate and helpful route. I hadnt thought of that but now Lateralus has pointed that out, it makes perfect sense. It really does annoy me how easy it seems to be to get a doctor to go along with these things when they arent true. A friend of mine hadf and still has a lot of genuine emotional and psychological problems. Hes depressed, he has delusions, he either see's or hears things that arent there, he relies too heavily on alcohol or drugs to attempt to deal with things when they get bad and so often does not make very wise decisions and makes things worse for himself in the long run. Basically he developed drug and alcohol problems too. Now even though he has genuine issues, i used to work with the guy and he once got into a really bad state, got drunk and then called in sick the next morning. He told them outright that he wasnt coming in because he was drunk and they said to him "Dont worry about it, work on getting yourself better" and the best part of all "take a week off!"

Take a week off? Because hes pissed? They knew of his alcohol problems. He had told them but dont OFFER him a week off! Just imagine, if its easy to get a GP to sign off on the belief that you have a mental illness or are depressed when you arent then i wonder how easy it would be for someone to take a look at my friend, the treatment his employer is giving him and fake the very same issues in the presence of a GP so they could get the same benefits?

TheCunningStunt · 07-03-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

It probably does have a lot to do with getting diagnosed from a GP instead of going down a more accurate and helpful route. I hadnt thought of that but now Lateralus has pointed that out, it makes perfect sense. It really does annoy me how easy it seems to be to get a doctor to go along with these things when they arent true. A friend of mine hadf and still has a lot of genuine emotional and psychological problems. Hes depressed, he has delusions, he either see's or hears things that arent there, he relies too heavily on alcohol or drugs to attempt to deal with things when they get bad and so often does not make very wise decisions and makes things worse for himself in the long run. Basically he developed drug and alcohol problems too. Now even though he has genuine issues, i used to work with the guy and he once got into a really bad state, got drunk and then called in sick the next morning. He told them outright that he wasnt coming in because he was drunk and they said to him "Dont worry about it, work on getting yourself better" and the best part of all "take a week off!"

Take a week off? Because hes pissed? They knew of his alcohol problems. He had told them but dont OFFER him a week off! Just imagine, if its easy to get a GP to sign off on the belief that you have a mental illness or are depressed when you arent then i wonder how easy it would be for someone to take a look at my friend, the treatment his employer is giving him and fake the very same issues in the presence of a GP so they could get the same benefits?

That's terrible really, it just shows how fickle a condition it really is. There's such a fine line, a lot of people that "have depression" are probably hypochondriacs that are just a bit sad and dramatise things to validate themselves and wallow in self pity. But when someone has REAL problems and gets the same benefits as someone who's faking/exaggerating then I'm lost. We don't seem to take it seriously here. If other countries, like Australia can take it seriously and really enforce a structure on how to detect and treat then why can't we? Ridiculous really. I don't think it's a condition that's taken as seriously as it should here.

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

Yeah, I meant 'you' in a general sense, not you specifically

A mental health professional is a medical doctor who has chosen to specialise in mental health. Different from a shrink or a psychiatrist, they are just a general medical doctor but they have acquired extensive knowledge on mental illness for whatever reason and have a lot of patients who are mental illness sufferers. I didn't know they existed either, until my parents took me to a GP for the issue when I was about 16/17 and the GP referred me to a mental health professional in the area. That's probably the best way to go about finding them.

I've never really heard of a mental health professional, I don't know of any around here anyway. I just know shrinks, GPs and hospitals.. maybe that's through not looking any further and not needing to look any further. They sound a lot better than clowns that don't have the foggiest idea about the condition.

Freebase Dali · 07-04-2010, 12:01 AM

Back on track...

1. What is your weirdest sexual fetish if any?
I dunno.... a great ass in tight jeans is sexier to me than a naked ass with no jeans. Jeans definitely play a huge role. Not really a fetish, but more of a mental foreplay thing. I idolize a hot ass clad in tight jeans. It's practically a dating prerequisite for me.
That's all probably more of a preference than a fetish... but it's all I got beyond favorite sexual positions and all that.
Oh.. and I don't give a shit about boob size. (except I'm turned off by huge boobs)

2. How do you rate your technical ability at the instruments you play?
Average, except drums... Drums are easily my "above average" area.

3. Do you have any kind of mental disorder?
Probably a mild social anxiety, but I've never confirmed.

4. What is your favorite art movement?
Probably Surrealism. Salvador Dali was my first introduction into it and I fell in love. Apart from Surrealism, I really dig urban art/graffiti.

5. If you were a movie director what would your style be like?
I never really thought about it, but I'd want to be as visceral and raw as possible.

6. What is your guiltiest pleasure in TV viewing?
I watched an entire season of America's Next Top Model in 2008. (Have mercy, I was in the military in Germany and AFN was only 4 channels or so.)

boo boo · 07-04-2010, 12:52 AM

My tastes are pretty damn liberal when it comes to boob size it just depends on preportions.

For thin/normal sized women I like any boob size that isn't bigger than E, when beyond that it really looks abnormal.

Unless you're a big girl and I do confess to liking some plus sized girls, only those big girls could look good with an F, G, H or J, whenever I see a thin woman with them it's horrifying. There's flat out no excuse to have boobs that big unless you're chubby. It's all about preportion baby.

Astronomer · 07-04-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

My tastes are pretty damn liberal when it comes to boob size it just depends on preportions.

For thin/normal sized women I like any boob size that isn't bigger than E, when beyond that it really looks abnormal.

Unless you're a big girl and I do confess to liking some plus sized girls, only those big girls could look good with an F, G, H or J, whenever I see a thin woman with them it's horrifying. There's flat out no excuse to have boobs that big unless you're chubby. It's all about preportion baby.

Are bra cup sizes universal? Because E is pretty big... but we might have different sizing here.

Freebase Dali · 07-04-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

Are bra cup sizes universal? Because E is pretty big... but we might have different sizing here.

E is huge in the U.S.
D is like.. enormously supple.
C is right there in the middle.
B is on the low end of that.
A is pre-pubescent.

But then there are the numbers attached to them.

Personally, I've never even heard of anything above an E. But apparently it exists.

Astronomer · 07-04-2010, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

E is huge in the U.S.
D is like.. enormously supple.
C is right there in the middle.
B and A are pre-pubescent.

But then there are the numbers attached to them.

Personally, I've never even heard of anything above an E. But apparently it exists.

Haha okay, sounds the same as here

Yes. It does exist. When I was a teenager I used to work at a department store in the lingerie section and selling nanna bras to giant old ladies was a slightly unpleasant experience.

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Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Back on track... 1. What is your weirdest sexual fetish if any? I dunno.... a great ass in tight jeans is sexier to me than a naked ass with no jeans. Jeans definitely play a huge role. Not really a fetish, but more of a mental foreplay thing. I idolize a hot ass clad in tight jeans. It's practically a dating prerequisite for me. That's all probably more of a preference than a fetish... but it's all I got beyond favorite sexual positions and all that. Oh.. and I don't give a shit about boob size. (except I'm turned off by huge boobs) 2. How do you rate your technical ability at the instruments you play? Average, except drums... Drums are easily my "above average" area. 3. Do you have any kind of mental disorder? Probably a mild social anxiety, but I've never confirmed. 4. What is your favorite art movement? Probably Surrealism. Salvador Dali was my first introduction into it and I fell in love. Apart from Surrealism, I really dig urban art/graffiti. 5. If you were a movie director what would your style be like? I never really thought about it, but I'd want to be as visceral and raw as possible. 6. What is your guiltiest pleasure in TV viewing? I watched an entire season of America's Next Top Model in 2008. (Have mercy, I was in the military in Germany and AFN was only 4 channels or so.)