The Saturday 6-Pack

rubber soul · 05-17-2022, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

No what I mean is an appreciation for music and an appreciation for mind altering substances generally go hand in hand

but I also get that you're not involved with music to escape yourself like a lot of people are

Well, I don't know. I appreciate all kinds of music and I'm never high or drunk.

Then again, listening to Dark Side of the Moon over the Wizard of Oz while high on pot and around friends who are equally high is definitely an experience (Needless to say this was a long time ago

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rostasi · 05-17-2022, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis

That's very interesting. I know that Michel Foucault had a different take* (for him, hard drugs were one of the means of undoing or at least freeing up the fixed nature of one's identity, going beyond its monotony) but it seems to me that for the vast majority of people what you said is exactly right.

*Mostly in private conversations with people who've since written about him, he had zero interest in being a Timothy Leary.

But I think Foucault was right. Some people are constantly trying to find some new key to
open doors that would get them out of a jail that they'd call this body. If you have the key,
you can find a thousand doors of illusions. but I've never thought of that as living outside of
your body in etherspace. Seems to me that you're experiencing one of your very real selves
that lives in the various neuron and ion exchanges that readily exists in your physical self.

The Batlord · 05-17-2022, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi

Actually, my attitude is the opposite of what I think you're saying.
For well over 50 years, I've been continuously refining my abilities
to escape from myself when it comes to the work I do.
Mind altering substances, OTOH, actually highly emphasize your
"self" at various mental levels, so I'm just not interested in that.

How would you know?

~~jwb~~ · 05-17-2022, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi

You're not. You're just being a piss with a penchant for bringing up disabled people - and it's no longer interesting.
My statement wasn't literal in any sense.
The point is (and I know you've got things to do and can't be bothered with something over 2 paragraphs) that
evaluating your choices when it comes to drugs is a form of autonomy - not something that makes me "scared" of drugs.
If I were to go buy a car and the salesperson shoves a car at me and I decide that not only do I not want it,
but I will look for other options, it's not being "scared" of cars. Decades ago, I had these realtors trying to sell
me houses that didn't even come close to my descriptions. I changed realtors each time. I'm not scared of houses.

oh fair enough for some reason i assumed you actually don't drive cars and the analogy was that you aren't physically scared of the car which is a cartoonish version of being scared of cars where as a more reasonable fear is what can happen if you drive the car. The same way you might not be scared of drugs but scared of what they can do to you.

I actually don't gaf if you are straight edge what we were actually mocking was the way you went about presenting it and implying you wouldn't be that way if you just had a drink.

rostasi · 05-17-2022, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

what we were actually mocking was the way you went about presenting it and implying you wouldn't be that way if you just had a drink.

"We?"

Also, why would I want to have a drink in order to be another way - something that would bow to your beliefs and/or desires?

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

How would you know?

How would I know what? How do I know that there's an electrical and chemical reaction in your brain to "mind altering"<hint>substances?

The Batlord · 05-17-2022, 05:15 PM

How do you know how drugs feel? I would never have been able to conceptualize what weed and sunrooms do to the mind before doing them. You can read stuff all you want but you're still just ignorant.

rostasi · 05-17-2022, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

How do you know how drugs feel? I would never have been able to conceptualize what weed and sunrooms do to the mind before doing them. You can read stuff all you want but you're still just ignorant.

Where did I say that I knew how drugs feel?

The Batlord · 05-17-2022, 05:28 PM

You described how they feel and why you don't want to feel that way.

rostasi · 05-17-2022, 05:29 PM

No, I didn't.
I just described a physical process.

The Batlord · 05-17-2022, 05:41 PM

You described a mental process and and why you want to avoid it.

05-17-2022, 05:29 PM	#11019 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	No, I didn't. I just described a physical process.