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Old 05-17-2022, 12:11 PM   #11001 (permalink)
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Alcohol? Temperance? What are you talking about?

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Old 05-17-2022, 12:11 PM   #11002 (permalink)
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Damn, you're really scared of drugs.
Ummm, no. Any more than I'm scared of cars while visiting a car dealership.

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that's interesting from someone so involved with music
I've had literally hundreds of beers bought for me while in the DJ booth and
you just smile and wave back and place it out of the way of the turntables and go on.
It's not some kind of epic struggle that it's made out to be - at least it never has been for me.

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Old 05-17-2022, 12:15 PM   #11003 (permalink)
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I think I'm gonna need an Adderall just to read this ****in novel you wrote for the MB temperance movement...
Be fair. I don't think Trollheart is ready to join the Carrie Nation fan club just yet
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Old 05-17-2022, 12:56 PM   #11004 (permalink)
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Ummm, no. Any more than I'm scared of cars while visiting a car dealership.
is being overly literal some kind of sneaky debate tactic you employ to get around points or is it some sort of learning disability..?
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Old 05-17-2022, 01:04 PM   #11005 (permalink)
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Old 05-17-2022, 02:23 PM   #11006 (permalink)
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I'm actually asking. And yes those are the only 2 possible options.
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Old 05-17-2022, 02:28 PM   #11007 (permalink)
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No what I mean is an appreciation for music and an appreciation for mind altering substances generally go hand in hand

but I also get that you're not involved with music to escape yourself like a lot of people are
Actually, my attitude is the opposite of what I think you're saying.
For well over 50 years, I've been continuously refining my abilities
to escape from myself when it comes to the work I do.
Mind altering substances, OTOH, actually highly emphasize your
"self" at various mental levels, so I'm just not interested in that.
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Old 05-17-2022, 02:46 PM   #11008 (permalink)
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I'm actually asking. And yes those are the only 2 possible options.
You're not. You're just being a piss with a penchant for bringing up disabled people - and it's no longer interesting.
My statement wasn't literal in any sense.
The point is (and I know you've got things to do and can't be bothered with something over 2 paragraphs) that
evaluating your choices when it comes to drugs is a form of autonomy - not something that makes me "scared" of drugs.
If I were to go buy a car and the salesperson shoves a car at me and I decide that not only do I not want it,
but I will look for other options, it's not being "scared" of cars. Decades ago, I had these realtors trying to sell
me houses that didn't even come close to my descriptions. I changed realtors each time. I'm not scared of houses.
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:33 PM   #11009 (permalink)
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Be fair. I don't think Trollheart is ready to join the Carrie Nation fan club just yet
Maybe the Alien Nation fan club. Definitely the Terry Nation fan club.
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No what I mean is an appreciation for music and an appreciation for mind altering substances generally go hand in hand

but I also get that you're not involved with music to escape yourself like a lot of people are
If you mean while playing it, fine, got nothing there.
If you mean listening to it, well, I've been listening to and appreciating music (shut up Batty and just for good measure jwb too ) and never felt the need either to be drunk or high. My walls of text on several thousand albums over the last ten years or so here kind of show that.
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:52 PM   #11010 (permalink)
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evaluating your choices when it comes to drugs is a form of autonomy
Amen to that.

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For well over 50 years, I've been continuously refining my abilities
to escape from myself when it comes to the work I do.
Mind altering substances, OTOH, actually highly emphasize your
"self" at various mental levels, so I'm just not interested in that.
That's very interesting. I know that Michel Foucault had a different take* (for him, hard drugs were one of the means of undoing or at least freeing up the fixed nature of one's identity, going beyond its monotony) but it seems to me that for the vast majority of people what you said is exactly right.

*Mostly in private conversations with people who've since written about him, he had zero interest in being a Timothy Leary.
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