Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

But if I want to spend my days and nights clear-headed and unaffected by alcohol, that's my choice, should be respected as much as yours and should not have to be explained, excused or justified, just as nobody does, or has the right to, ask you why you feel you need to drink.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

"you know, if someone can survive and make a good life for themselves without these crutches and props, maybe we should be looking at ourselves."

Originally Posted by rostasi

Ah, OK, so it was basically meaningless mocking.

Originally Posted by rostasi

Yes, that would be correct and not in conflict with anything I've already said.


Yeah, I'm OK with that because it's damn near an impossibility to know everything about everything.

It has a differing value and, so yes, what's the final point of the argument here?
That you can never know things unless you have both the knowledge of its workings and
the actual experience of it? Yeah, well hot damn! I'm glad I don't know what a heart attack is!

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Get some more, cos here's another one.

Okay well if you had actually read what I wrote instead of being so set on mocking me as you always do, you'd have seen that the first few paragraphs had nothing to do with you (sorry but not everything does and I don't respond only to you) but were in fact a reply to Fetcher's comments. The only "manifesto", if you like, was in the last three or four. And anyway, despite what you'd like to think, or how you want to read things into my writing that aren't there, I don't advocate temperance by any means. If people want to drink, fair play to them. If people want to get drunk, their choice. If people want to get drunk and get into fights, up to them. Nothing to do with me, though I still assert the world would generally be a better place if people did not feel the need to drink to excess (important difference there with the last two words).

What I asked for, but realise I will never get, is for people like me, and Rostasi, who don't drink, who have chosen not to drink, to be treated like normal people and not some sort of freaks of society who have to be either a) mocked or b) studied to find out why we don't drink, ie what's wrong with us?

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I have no interest in drinking copious amounts of something I don't like the taste of, puking up, staggering home, getting into fights with strangers, waking the next morning with no clear memory of the night before. Doesn't hold any attraction for me. Nor does sitting in a pub all evening when I could be writing more journals to bore you all with, or reading, or hell - here's an idea! Listening to music. There are many better ways to spend one's time, and that's my choice. You want to spend your days/nights (delete as appropriate, or possibly leave both in) in a drunken haze, go right ahead. I won't say anything to you. But if I want to spend my days and nights clear-headed and unaffected by alcohol, that's my choice, should be respected as much as yours and should not have to be explained, excused or justified, just as nobody does, or has the right to, ask you why you feel you need to drink.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

You sound like Buffy after they dragged her back from Heaven.

Originally Posted by WWWP

I want to open a school for MB's lost boys and teach them basic coping skills and build up their self esteem and strengthen their emotional intelligence and teach them about vegetables and institutionalized racism and sexism and then they'll all build a bronze statue of me in my honor and my bronzed titties will forever be groped by the grubby paws of you ****ing whiny pathetic white boys.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Bro you can do all that while drunk. Listening to music drunk is great. Writing while drunk is great. Some of my favorite creative writing was when I was blotto. I might have had to clean it up the morning after but I wouldn't have gone to such places sober.

Originally Posted by Frownland

You know, if someone can survive and make a good life for themselves while drinking, maybe you should be looking at yourself.

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Omg you bunch of children. It's true that people who don't drink get judged for it in an unfair way, so back off on that side, but if you're gonna be self-righteous about not drinking you're not helping yourself or anyone else for that matter. That's just as childish. Rise above yourselves, people

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

But looking for quality interaction on MB is like trying to stay hydrated by drinking salt water.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

I don't understand this. I'm not saying anyone who drinks can't have a good life, just as I'm saying anyone who doesn't drink can't have a good life. I'm saying it's possible to do both. So why should I be looking at myself??