The Unfan

Agendas are a good thing. Agendas are what motivate people to take action and make a change.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez

When are you going to be on the ticket, Crowquill?

I will be happy to vote for an avid music lover who has never made a mistake, and never been wrong in his whole life.

ProggyMan

You know every one of the GOP candidates dissed the war, then changed their attitudes after seeing the poll numbers. And way to change the subject.

sleepy jack

That has nothing to do with anything, your arguing is poor and you're contradicting yourself. You went on about her being trustworthy and real, than called her corrupt and naive.

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Miltamec Soundsquinaez

Yes, well, you called her a 'corporate whore', while Obama has actually received more money from lobbyists than Clinton, and yet you said you want Obama to crush Clinton. So she was naive at one point 4 years ago, so what? I'm sure I'll be a little naive many times down the line. Everyone makes mistakes.
Do you actually claim that Dennis Kucinich, or anyone you're voting for, is worthy of the vote, because they're perfect, and have never been corrupted once in their life? Remember, we're talking about politicians here. Finding dirt on them, is like finding it on a dirt road. I will even forgive Obama's mistakes, if he proves to me that he is a good and honest enough leader.

The Unfan

Stanhope.

sleepy jack

No he hasn't, he hasn't even taken any. Where are you getting your facts?

So when someone does something stupid, someone running for president, we should just go "Oh well everyone makes mistakes." That's great, we should've done with with Nixon too.

I never said anything like that, once again you're making poor arguments here. I'm not the one who made unfounded claims about a presidential candidates personality then turn around said something completely contradictory to it.

And yet you think Hillary stands on some of moral high ground or you don't. I'm not sure because you're babbling like a moron.

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Miltamec Soundsquinaez

You're thinking of John Edwards. He never took any money from lobbyists. Obama is as bad as Clinton, if not worse.


The only mistake I'm claiming Hilary made was when she voted to go to war in Iraq. Whereas, earlier in this thread, you stated McCain was *pretty cool*, and yet he has admitted he would have the war go on for another 100 years. Seems odd.

OK, let me make it a question, rather than a statement. Do you think Kucinich is perfect, and never made any mistakes? Do you think Obama is perfect, and never made any mistakes? Now, I had hardly see how can find anything erroneous in this, seeing as it is a set of questions.


Let me be clear. I think all politicians are scumbags to some extent. For me not to include Clinton on that list would make me a downright liar. I thought I made it relatively clear that I don't think Clinton is perfect, but that doesn't preclude her for being considered for public office, especially with the greedy, war mongerers of today.

ProggyMan

No, but you did say you trusted her...Seems pretty contradictory. And please read my post on McCain's position on the war.

sleepy jack

No he's not, Clinton is the only one that takes money from lobbyists. Post some sources to this information, you're making things up.

I said cool for a republican, as in if I had to choose one out of the ones that appear to have a chance (Huckabee, Romney and Mccain) I'd probably go for him because of what he said about Falwell (who's a complete cock.) I never went on about agreeing with his beliefs.


No and he isn't even in the race anymore.

No and see I respect Obama because he's at least stuck to his opinion, one I agree with, Hillary is going to flip-flop to whatever the people filling her pockets say.

Hillary is much more of a greedy war mongerer than Obama. This is complete contradictory to what you said earlier, you said she was honest, the people's pick, someone you could trust and could take criticism which is bullshit. I'll quote someone now who has much more insight into the Clintons than you do: "It's not a very big thing to say, "I made a mistake" on the war, and typical of Hillary Clinton that she can't. She's so advised by so many smart advisers who are covering every base. I think that America was better served when the candidates were chosen in smoke-filled rooms."

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