Vegetarian Bands (quote)

sleepy jack · 01-27-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Humans > Animals, always. Deal with it, you're not proving anything other then you're own ignorance by running around using this as the backbone for your "why the way you eat is wrong" argument.

Where did I ever say Animals = Humans or Animals > Humans?

Lizzie · 01-27-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I never said anything about one way of eating being better. I was pointing out that there's nothing besides his own specific set of morals judging animals to be better than plants. You can use the same logic for Humans and animals. We have a superior nervous system, we should rule the earth!

No, I dont think morals are the reason we think animals are higher or better than animals, it the pure fact that Animals HAVE a brain, they CAN feel ever ounce of pain put upon them. Can plants? No, they can't, therfore you cannot compare the two. It is not morals sayign that animals are better than plants
Humans do NOT need to eat meat to survive anymore, we've gotten past that, so why do we continue to do it?

Duke Of Slander · 01-27-2008, 06:47 PM

I have no real side to this argument but I'll list some of the facts and fallacies that surround it.

Animals are dominant in this world because they are mobile, but without plants there would be no life in the first place. The world is held in an intricate web of co-existence between species. Plants nourish animals, and, through excrements, seed dispersal, and nutrient spreading, animals give back to plants, fungi, ect. Why does this matter? This entire argument of one kingdom is better than the other is ****ing bull****. Stop trying to pull it.

Next up, becoming a vegetarian will help improve your overall health because you no longer have to constantly sweat out excess grease coming from meat that your body absorbs and can't digest. Your colon will be cleaner because fiber will continuously run through your system and clean it out. Having the runs may occur (hehe Raw diet).

However, meat has loads more protein than plants. You can get your recommended dose of protein or whatever by taking pills and seeds n ****, but it won't match how much you get from eating meat, especially from poultry and fish.

Humans are omnivores, when times were hard, they relied on plants to get them through and they got a withered look because protein is necessary for building muscles. They're not malnourished because there are other means of getting protein, but they're just not as efficient.

As for the animal emotion ****, certainly you can tell they feel something because of your empathy, but there is no way to tell if they can think because, just like people, you can't read people's minds nor theirs. You can only tell how people or animals feel because of your ability to relate and understand certain emotions. (As a fun little aside, scientist grew two potted plants next to each other and attached electrode to one. They then attacked the other in front of the electrode one, tearing off leaves snapping the stem, ect and found that the device measuring the other plant went crazy when the other plant was attacked.)

If I posted anything wrong or repetitive, you'll have to forgive me, no sleep and hunger are causing me to be be a little spacey right now.

ProggyMan · 01-27-2008, 06:47 PM

You know it's very easy to get meat that was obtained without causing pain to animals.
Edit: And how is not wanting to cause pain to animals not a moral?

Lizzie · 01-27-2008, 06:49 PM

But there are a lot of factories and companies that cause a huge amount of pain on animals, and a lot of people dont care enough to really bother and see

sleepy jack · 01-27-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

You know it's very easy to get meat that was obtained without causing pain to animals.

Quoted for the lulz.

ProggyMan · 01-27-2008, 06:56 PM

That has nothing to do with the arguement. There's no moral reason that I can see for you not to eat meat. Unless your objection is to the actual killing of the animals, in which case you should have the same objection to plants, since the animals experience no pain.

sleepy jack · 01-27-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

That has nothing to do with the arguement. There's no moral reason that I can see for you not to eat meat. Unless your objection is to the actual killing of the animals, in which case you should have the same objection to plants, since the animals experience no pain.

Please explain to me why the killing of plants is on the same level as killing animals because I really need to hear this one.

jesus · 01-27-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

That has nothing to do with the arguement. There's no moral reason that I can see for you not to eat meat. Unless your objection is to the actual killing of the animals, in which case you should have the same objection to plants, since the animals experience no pain.

hahahahahaha
proud vegetarian for three years, not even going to dignify this with a response

Predator · 01-27-2008, 07:01 PM

I can imagine no better use for a pig than to eat it. Pigs are the most wonderful animal. You get bacon, ham, pork chops, pork ribs, pork roast...........

01-27-2008, 06:49 PM	#65 (permalink)
Lizzie Diskobox Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: vancouver Posts: 660	But there are a lot of factories and companies that cause a huge amount of pain on animals, and a lot of people dont care enough to really bother and see __________________ white and black, are you looking for the sun boy? the sun doesn't shine down here, no, not in the shadow

01-27-2008, 07:01 PM	#70 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	I can imagine no better use for a pig than to eat it. Pigs are the most wonderful animal. You get bacon, ham, pork chops, pork ribs, pork roast........... __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

01-27-2008, 06:47 PM	#63 (permalink)
Duke Of Slander Slanderous Duke Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 87	I have no real side to this argument but I'll list some of the facts and fallacies that surround it. Animals are dominant in this world because they are mobile, but without plants there would be no life in the first place. The world is held in an intricate web of co-existence between species. Plants nourish animals, and, through excrements, seed dispersal, and nutrient spreading, animals give back to plants, fungi, ect. Why does this matter? This entire argument of one kingdom is better than the other is **ing bull. Stop trying to pull it. Next up, becoming a vegetarian will help improve your overall health because you no longer have to constantly sweat out excess grease coming from meat that your body absorbs and can't digest. Your colon will be cleaner because fiber will continuously run through your system and clean it out. Having the runs may occur (hehe Raw diet). However, meat has loads more protein than plants. You can get your recommended dose of protein or whatever by taking pills and seeds n , but it won't match how much you get from eating meat, especially from poultry and fish. Humans are omnivores, when times were hard, they relied on plants to get them through and they got a withered look because protein is necessary for building muscles. They're not malnourished because there are other means of getting protein, but they're just not as efficient. As for the animal emotion **, certainly you can tell they feel something because of your empathy, but there is no way to tell if they can think because, just like people, you can't read people's minds nor theirs. You can only tell how people or animals feel because of your ability to relate and understand certain emotions. (As a fun little aside, scientist grew two potted plants next to each other and attached electrode to one. They then attacked the other in front of the electrode one, tearing off leaves snapping the stem, ect and found that the device measuring the other plant went crazy when the other plant was attacked.) If I posted anything wrong or repetitive, you'll have to forgive me, no sleep and hunger are causing me to be be a little spacey right now.

01-27-2008, 06:47 PM	#64 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	You know it's very easy to get meat that was obtained without causing pain to animals. Edit: And how is not wanting to cause pain to animals not a moral?

01-27-2008, 06:56 PM	#67 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	That has nothing to do with the arguement. There's no moral reason that I can see for you not to eat meat. Unless your objection is to the actual killing of the animals, in which case you should have the same objection to plants, since the animals experience no pain.