Vegetarian Bands (American, cover, quote, history, Hang)

~~The Unfan~~ · 01-27-2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lizzie

Meat IS murder

Most farm animals are so domesticated that they couldn't make it in the wild. So the question is, which is more cruel: Keeping a species around for consumption while enabling them to actually live, or releasing them into the wild where they'll go extinct?

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-27-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

Humans>animals(non homo sapien)>plant. If I said that to a Jainist, I'd be dead wrong.
You're right, the human brain is much more complex, and able to distinguish many more emotions than a monkey, or a dog. Therefore, I do consider humans greater than animals. I still don't think we have the right to do whatever we want with them. Think of it like a metaphor, this earth is our earth. We are given dominion over it for a short time. We are meant to respect it while we are here. People who litter aren't right, just because this is their planet. I consider the creatures of this planet to be as precious as the planet itself. So, even if we have dominion over this planet, it still comes with responsibility. The only emotion animals have been proven to feel are love, anger, fear, and sadness. Humans on top of that feel guilt, greed, embarassment, all of which are fear or love based, but nonetheless they feel a much larger plethora of emotions. Plants respond to sunlight, and we know they are a living thing, we know they grow, but they are exempt from an indistinguishable personality that an animal may have. Also, as we said, they don't have a brain, so we know they don't have physical feelings, and it's very unlikely they have emotions, and Jainists believe plants have a soul, and maybe they do, but I consider animals more worthy of life because of the defining characteristics I described above.

Neither of the bolded things are proven so I don't see how you can have a basis for that argument. There are types of plants that eat flies also so they certainly do more then react to sunlight.

anticipation · 01-27-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

In the slaughterhouses they employ less torturous techniques.

Totally, like beating the cows over the head with a club until they die.

Personally, I see no benefits whatsoever to being a vegetarian, and besides, I hate vegetables.

GravitySlips · 01-27-2008, 11:43 AM

Propagandhi

the whole band are vegan, i believe.

lucylamppost · 01-27-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

I'm not going to criticize Conor for being a pescatarian; that's pretty cool, but in a way, I almost wish people would not eat seafood, if only seafood. Think about it, when they dump the fish, and the shrimp, and prawns and all that on the boat, they die because they can't breathe. That's the human equivalent of drowning to death. In the slaughterhouses they employ less torturous techniques.

I would never ever eat fish just on the fact we over fish our oceans

Lizzie · 01-27-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Johnny

Personally, I see no benefits whatsoever to being a vegetarian, and besides, I hate vegetables.

There are lots and lots of benfits really, it is quite a nice thing. Sure makes me feel a hell of a lot better

savannah · 01-27-2008, 01:38 PM

most of the fish you eat now is 'farmed' anyway

ProggyMan · 01-27-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzie

There are lots and lots of benfits really, it is quite a nice thing. Sure makes me feel a hell of a lot better

You claim to be morally superior over meat eaters and yet look at your philosophy: Species A is superior to Species B, therefore we should eat Species B and not Species A.

Lizzie · 01-27-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

You claim to be morally superior over meat eaters and yet look at your philosophy: Species A is superior to Species B, therefore we should eat Species B and not Species A.

Did i ever claim to be superior over meat-eater? No, I don't belive that I did. Not eating meat simply makes me feel better, knowing that I am not eating the flesh of a once inncent liveing being, that's all. I'm not saying anyone else should do it or anything, or that I'm better for not doing it. That's all

ProggyMan · 01-27-2008, 01:56 PM

That was more directed at Used2lguy and the vegan public, although you did say eating meat was wrong and disgusting. If eating meat is 'wrong', then not eating it is 'right'.

01-27-2008, 01:38 PM	#47 (permalink)
savannah afrocentric Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: texas Posts: 753	most of the fish you eat now is 'farmed' anyway __________________ i changed my mind; i changed my mind;now i'm feeling different all that time, wasted i wish i was a little more delicate i wish my i wish my i wish my i wish my i wish my name was clementine - sarah jaffe

01-27-2008, 11:43 AM	#44 (permalink)
GravitySlips Music Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,578	Propagandhi the whole band are vegan, i believe.

01-27-2008, 01:56 PM	#50 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	That was more directed at Used2lguy and the vegan public, although you did say eating meat was wrong and disgusting. If eating meat is 'wrong', then not eating it is 'right'.