What's the point of life? (country, Creed, quote, Inci)

Miltamec Soundsquinaez · 01-10-2008, 11:31 PM

I'm not an expert on this type of thing, but I just wanted to share a few ideas.

What if the point of life is to unite people of all races, creeds, and backgrounds? What if the point is to hate everyone who is different than you, because you were each sent here by your own god. and all the gods are at war with each other?

Is there really a heaven, and if so, are there different levels of heaven?

Is there a god? Or have we all just miraculously cropped up here in this form of perfect timing and structure?

If there is a god? and if so is there a hell? Surely, a god wouldn't send us there. After all, he also gave us the capacity to do horrendous things.

There is no end-all answer to any of these questions. That's why I'm asking them. It's uncertain, like so many things in life. I don't have to know everything. You don't have to know everything. Let's take comfort in not knowing, and just wondering,

So my idea is this: I think there is a God, he is one ruling god of all the religions and creeds and races, and he knows that we are all right, but fear has kept us from uniting. Of course, that's pretty vague. Many other things have kept us from uniting, with fear at the root of it. But ultimately, I think the goal is for each person to try and see things the scope of another person, to try to understand someone different than you, and to love them. Also, I believe we are reincarnated. I believe that when we die, we temporarily go to a certain level or strata in heaven, depending on how good we were. Then, at some point, if we choose, we can be reincarnated into any form we want. And of course, once we are conceived in our mother's womb all recollection of past lives is forgotten. But anyway, that's my belief, or what I want to believe. Otherwise, how would life or life after death be any fun, if we were just stuck there, in that one place forever. I always feel the urge to escape, and by gosh, I'm going to want to escape even when I'm in heaven.

sleepy jack · 01-11-2008, 12:50 AM

I don't know, sometimes I like to think there's a higher power and all but that's just hollow comfort so I don't think it much as much as I'd like to. It would feel really nice to believe there's some divine purpose. I think it all depends on how you define god to whether or not one or ones exist. To me god is like, the universe, nature and everything. I don't know if that answers your question, that's not really believing in god. I don't think that life has a point really. I don't really believe in an afterlife either. It's scary to think we just disappear that easily really and we're done but I guess it's true. This subject depresses me.

pheurton · 01-11-2008, 08:09 AM

Nihilists unite, if there is a God I'd rather not be welcomed into his kingdom. He has a pretty bad résumé.

~~TheDonald~~ · 01-11-2008, 04:39 PM

Big tits. Just throwin' that out there as an option...

Mockingbird! · 01-11-2008, 05:26 PM

oh boy, this is a bit deep for me, but anyways
as far as religion goes, i do not believe in it at all, but i think as a whole, it can be ultimatly a good thing or a horrible thing
when religion brings people togther and helps them through life and makes them want to do better and be a better person, thats wonderful
but i also think that god and heaven are all just comfort devices used by people who are terrified of dying, and ironically, thoose people then spend their whole trying to live perfectly to get in heaven, and end up wasting away their short time on earth
i dont know how many people have told me im going to go to hell for not beleiving in god, but if there is a hell (which i dont think there is) why would someone who is a generally good person be sent there, just for not beliveing in god? i dunno, it seems rather ridiculous to me
it would be nice to belive that their is a purpose for us all, and that we all have some meaning on this earth, but i dunno, it all seems rather doubtfull to me
(im very sorry, im sure this doesnt maek any sense at all)

~~Gates_of_Iscariot~~ · 01-11-2008, 06:31 PM

to procreate

pheurton · 01-11-2008, 06:44 PM

fascist

Miltamec Soundsquinaez · 01-11-2008, 07:06 PM

To respond to Wayfarer:
I believe in a collective consciousness, just like you, and that we are all connected beings. I certainly wouldn't deny that we have a 6th sense, which is not ESP, just plain instinct. Most of us have had unbelievable flashes of instinct from time to time. Not simply just knowing what someone might say in a situation, but somehow sensing certain goings-on in a completely different place than where you are.
To respond to Crowquill and Mockingbird:
That's an interesting point, because you both said that belief in a god is for people who are terrified of death, and I can't help but admit that I am terrified of death. Sometimes I feel like I witness special works, that make me believe, then there are so many awful things that make me doubt. One of my main arguments for an existence of God would actually be a scientific one. I'm amazed that we live on a planet, in which, on it's rotation around the sun, becomes somewhat farther out on its axis, and at those points, it gets so cold here that it becomes nearly uninhabitable, if not just very uncomfortable. (global warming not withstanding). But it's not quite too cold, the same way it's just not quite too hot in the summertime. Then I think about all that space, and all those thousands of miles in between the Earth and its neighboring planets-Mars & Venus, and how there is basically no possibility of human life there (while they have apparently recently found living bacteria on Mars) It just seems so improbable to me, that we could be that fortunate to get situated right here, without there being a god.
Also, I just can't help but feel like we were meant to get something. Think about it, we seem to be the only animals with a conscious mind. All other animals with a brain certainly feel pain, and some people believe that even plants feel pain, but we are the only creatures who have such a complex brain, and the ability to experience such a wide plethora of emotions. It just makes me feel like we're supposed to get something. And I think maybe what one generation and one country is supposed to get is not necessarily what is intended for the next generation, or people of other nationalities, creeds, whatever.
Of course, I understand there most certainly maybe life in other galaxies, and it is quite possible that our so called "god" is merely a race of aliens - so advanced that they created us as some sort of weird experiment and they subtly drop us hints sometimes of their existence, maybe a reward for something good we did. Maybe we all are reincarnated in this life until we all collectively come to a higher recognition of love and spirit, and then we may all be welcomed into their fascinating worlds or "heaven" as we know it.
Also sometimes I think that who we are reincarnated as may depend on how we performed in the past life. For instance, maybe Bush was some really great person in the past life, and in this lifetime, he just didn't get it, and he may be reincarnated into some sort of paramecium or something in the next life.
Ultimately this whole text may just symbolize my whole fear of death, and might be all hogwash, but who can blame me. I mean, as Crowquill said, we're here one day, and then we just vanish. Of course, then there would be no reason to do any good in life, and then you could say that the whole religion idea was contrived simply to get us to behave well while we're here, and could be argued for that it's a good thing in that respect.
This is getting into scary territory here, but I really don't want to live in a world where people feel they have no reason to do good, whether it's true or not. I guess what I'm saying is, if right now, it was revealed to me that I had no reason to do good, whatsoever, it would scare me about what I might do, so maybe that's the reason I want to believe in a God.

djchameleon · 01-12-2008, 08:51 AM

I can't believe I actually read all of that...I should've jotted down the few points I wanted to make as I read it now I have to re-read it again...

I believe that religion and believing in a god/faith are separate things. I don't think that god and heaven are just used by people that are terrified of dying. I believe it gives them hope and a reason to live and carry on. Most people view God and his existence as being related to "good" essentially. Based off of the bible God isn't "good" or "bad" but more so an omnipresent being that helped to spark life. If you read the bible, you can see his many examples of how he can be vengeful despite his good intentions for his creation. I don't even agree with most of the context in the bible anyways because the bible is based off of interpretations of different men and their encounters during a certain period of time. Later on, someone discovered these old text and decided to translate it for us. There definately has to be some material that was lost in translation or translated incorrectly based upon the person translating the text.

Someone mentioned we evolved from a bunch of monkeys but that's not true at all. We evolved from that species that predates neantherdals. I can't recall the name of them at this moment but their mind was very similar to animals, lacking a conscious mind. I don't think we are supposed to get anything. Species evolve over time to adapt to the changes in the environment they occupy. I believe we are here to create a legacy, another notch in history and to procreate, leaving behind us a lineage of our dna.

anticipation · 01-12-2008, 10:26 AM

existentialism <3

"we're nihilists, we don't believe in anything"

01-10-2008, 11:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Miltamec Soundsquinaez Aural melody discerner Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: in a truck down by the interstate Posts: 347	What's the point of life? I'm not an expert on this type of thing, but I just wanted to share a few ideas. What if the point of life is to unite people of all races, creeds, and backgrounds? What if the point is to hate everyone who is different than you, because you were each sent here by your own god. and all the gods are at war with each other? Is there really a heaven, and if so, are there different levels of heaven? Is there a god? Or have we all just miraculously cropped up here in this form of perfect timing and structure? If there is a god? and if so is there a hell? Surely, a god wouldn't send us there. After all, he also gave us the capacity to do horrendous things. There is no end-all answer to any of these questions. That's why I'm asking them. It's uncertain, like so many things in life. I don't have to know everything. You don't have to know everything. Let's take comfort in not knowing, and just wondering, So my idea is this: I think there is a God, he is one ruling god of all the religions and creeds and races, and he knows that we are all right, but fear has kept us from uniting. Of course, that's pretty vague. Many other things have kept us from uniting, with fear at the root of it. But ultimately, I think the goal is for each person to try and see things the scope of another person, to try to understand someone different than you, and to love them. Also, I believe we are reincarnated. I believe that when we die, we temporarily go to a certain level or strata in heaven, depending on how good we were. Then, at some point, if we choose, we can be reincarnated into any form we want. And of course, once we are conceived in our mother's womb all recollection of past lives is forgotten. But anyway, that's my belief, or what I want to believe. Otherwise, how would life or life after death be any fun, if we were just stuck there, in that one place forever. I always feel the urge to escape, and by gosh, I'm going to want to escape even when I'm in heaven.

01-11-2008, 05:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mockingbird! Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 58	oh boy, this is a bit deep for me, but anyways as far as religion goes, i do not believe in it at all, but i think as a whole, it can be ultimatly a good thing or a horrible thing when religion brings people togther and helps them through life and makes them want to do better and be a better person, thats wonderful but i also think that god and heaven are all just comfort devices used by people who are terrified of dying, and ironically, thoose people then spend their whole trying to live perfectly to get in heaven, and end up wasting away their short time on earth i dont know how many people have told me im going to go to hell for not beleiving in god, but if there is a hell (which i dont think there is) why would someone who is a generally good person be sent there, just for not beliveing in god? i dunno, it seems rather ridiculous to me it would be nice to belive that their is a purpose for us all, and that we all have some meaning on this earth, but i dunno, it all seems rather doubtfull to me (im very sorry, im sure this doesnt maek any sense at all) __________________ Is it cruel or kind Not too speak my mind And to lie to you Rather than hurt you? For after several large gins He'll confess all of his sins But still he'll hide from you Hide what's inside from you

01-11-2008, 08:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
pheurton n/a Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 990	Nihilists unite, if there is a God I'd rather not be welcomed into his kingdom. He has a pretty bad résumé.

01-11-2008, 04:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
~~TheDonald~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The 3rd plateau of my mind Posts: 41	Big tits. Just throwin' that out there as an option...

01-11-2008, 06:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~Gates_of_Iscariot~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: new hampshire Posts: 191	to procreate

01-11-2008, 06:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
pheurton n/a Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 990	fascist

01-11-2008, 07:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Miltamec Soundsquinaez Aural melody discerner Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: in a truck down by the interstate Posts: 347	To respond to Wayfarer: I believe in a collective consciousness, just like you, and that we are all connected beings. I certainly wouldn't deny that we have a 6th sense, which is not ESP, just plain instinct. Most of us have had unbelievable flashes of instinct from time to time. Not simply just knowing what someone might say in a situation, but somehow sensing certain goings-on in a completely different place than where you are. To respond to Crowquill and Mockingbird: That's an interesting point, because you both said that belief in a god is for people who are terrified of death, and I can't help but admit that I am terrified of death. Sometimes I feel like I witness special works, that make me believe, then there are so many awful things that make me doubt. One of my main arguments for an existence of God would actually be a scientific one. I'm amazed that we live on a planet, in which, on it's rotation around the sun, becomes somewhat farther out on its axis, and at those points, it gets so cold here that it becomes nearly uninhabitable, if not just very uncomfortable. (global warming not withstanding). But it's not quite too cold, the same way it's just not quite too hot in the summertime. Then I think about all that space, and all those thousands of miles in between the Earth and its neighboring planets-Mars & Venus, and how there is basically no possibility of human life there (while they have apparently recently found living bacteria on Mars) It just seems so improbable to me, that we could be that fortunate to get situated right here, without there being a god. Also, I just can't help but feel like we were meant to get something. Think about it, we seem to be the only animals with a conscious mind. All other animals with a brain certainly feel pain, and some people believe that even plants feel pain, but we are the only creatures who have such a complex brain, and the ability to experience such a wide plethora of emotions. It just makes me feel like we're supposed to get something. And I think maybe what one generation and one country is supposed to get is not necessarily what is intended for the next generation, or people of other nationalities, creeds, whatever. Of course, I understand there most certainly maybe life in other galaxies, and it is quite possible that our so called "god" is merely a race of aliens - so advanced that they created us as some sort of weird experiment and they subtly drop us hints sometimes of their existence, maybe a reward for something good we did. Maybe we all are reincarnated in this life until we all collectively come to a higher recognition of love and spirit, and then we may all be welcomed into their fascinating worlds or "heaven" as we know it. Also sometimes I think that who we are reincarnated as may depend on how we performed in the past life. For instance, maybe Bush was some really great person in the past life, and in this lifetime, he just didn't get it, and he may be reincarnated into some sort of paramecium or something in the next life. Ultimately this whole text may just symbolize my whole fear of death, and might be all hogwash, but who can blame me. I mean, as Crowquill said, we're here one day, and then we just vanish. Of course, then there would be no reason to do any good in life, and then you could say that the whole religion idea was contrived simply to get us to behave well while we're here, and could be argued for that it's a good thing in that respect. This is getting into scary territory here, but I really don't want to live in a world where people feel they have no reason to do good, whether it's true or not. I guess what I'm saying is, if right now, it was revealed to me that I had no reason to do good, whatsoever, it would scare me about what I might do, so maybe that's the reason I want to believe in a God.

01-12-2008, 08:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,451	I can't believe I actually read all of that...I should've jotted down the few points I wanted to make as I read it now I have to re-read it again... I believe that religion and believing in a god/faith are separate things. I don't think that god and heaven are just used by people that are terrified of dying. I believe it gives them hope and a reason to live and carry on. Most people view God and his existence as being related to "good" essentially. Based off of the bible God isn't "good" or "bad" but more so an omnipresent being that helped to spark life. If you read the bible, you can see his many examples of how he can be vengeful despite his good intentions for his creation. I don't even agree with most of the context in the bible anyways because the bible is based off of interpretations of different men and their encounters during a certain period of time. Later on, someone discovered these old text and decided to translate it for us. There definately has to be some material that was lost in translation or translated incorrectly based upon the person translating the text. Someone mentioned we evolved from a bunch of monkeys but that's not true at all. We evolved from that species that predates neantherdals. I can't recall the name of them at this moment but their mind was very similar to animals, lacking a conscious mind. I don't think we are supposed to get anything. Species evolve over time to adapt to the changes in the environment they occupy. I believe we are here to create a legacy, another notch in history and to procreate, leaving behind us a lineage of our dna.

01-12-2008, 10:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	existentialism <3 "we're nihilists, we don't believe in anything"