TheDonald

I don't know if there are any homosexuals here, but I have a question. If homosexuals got all the same rights and securities as a married couple, just w/o the title of "marriage", would they honestly complain about it?

Barnard17

I complain upon principal. Marriage is not a religious ceremony under common law. There's therefore no good reason to deny homosexual union all the rights of, including the label, of marriage. The other option is to disallow the use of the term marriage to apply to non-religious unions.

Also, with regards to the abortion topic, TheDonald you're applying a macro approach to what is a micro issue: stating "all abortion should be outlawed" but failing to actually counter-argue the idea that there are special instances, i.e. rape victims instead relying on ad hominems and general dismissals. Bad form old man.

sleepy jack

You're missing the point entirely. That isn't equality, it's not even close to equality. You can bitch all you want about it being equal rights and securities but if it's not the same title it's not the same thing. By encouraging this sick idea homosexuals are different from normal people by doing things like making their marriage different you're just ensuring that prejudices can stick around for an even longer time. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Stop with the stupid analogies. Starving to death and getting married aren't the same thing nor are they even close to being the same thing.

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TheBig3

The problem with "marriage" is ten fold.

1. Firstly, the contention a lot of leftists have as well states-rights, anti-federalists is that the government doesn't have to know this sort of thing and ultimately it should have no bearing on "my life."

As Ron Paul once stated in debate, the whole reason the government even started issuing marriage licenses is for tax purposes. And that’s really what we're arguing over. I don't think homosexuals want to be recognized as married in the eyes of the catholic church. And I don't think homosexuals care about the taxes really either. Its equality. And we have a history in this country of understanding that "separate but equal is inherently unequal."

They know that too well and their aware that the only way that people get treated the same is if they get the same things. If the change the rulings on marrige and everyones married then everyone changes.

My question to you would be: If homosexuals get the same rights in a civil union as they do in marriage, then why do you care if they are recognized as married?

This is a very hollow issue in my eyes. Its not the economy where people lose jobs over it, can't feed their kids and have to sell their homes. Its not the war, its not immigration, and its not healthcare.

If those things change, your life changes. If two ***s call themselves married nothing happens to you. Nothing. There is no reason to not have them be "married", especially when that argument (once its proved to be sound) has to fend off the equality argument.

Now lets talk about anything substantive.

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