TheBig3

The femanist sentiment that is rising up in the media here around her campaign, with its constant coverage for her, and occational grrrl power corny lines is the "*** marrige in 2004" issue in this campaign.

In other words, its an issue that will probably serve them well enough for a victory but the backlash will be twice as powerful and will do much more harm than good.

Prediction: If she wins and shows anything less than near perfection in 2012 the republicans will waltz into that white house, and more scary will be if she survives until 2016. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate her, and if she actually carries through on what she stands for, more power to her. But the opposition forces have been writing her coffin since 1998 and if you don't think they are laying in wait, salivating at the chance to go for the jugular, you're foolish.

They'd do it anyway. She's a woman and while I don't think the other side is sexist, I do think their oppertunists, and if you can subtly get across that 1950's sentiment to a voting public that feels screwed, the game is over. But the femist "its time for a woman" hog**** is fanning the flames.

Paula Poundstone once said "So many people are praising this year 'the year of the woman, its the year of the woman!' [when 9 women were elected to U.S. congress]" well what happens next year? "Ok we had our turn, I guess its time to give it back to them men."

And shes dead on. Making claims such as "its time for a woman" or "its time to let a woman handle things, you men have ****ed it up for too long" (my mother loves that one) is all but inviting the time table for american politics that we've been trying to get for 4 years here with Iraqi politics.

Playing any sort of game, like gender with Clinton or, as Michelle Obama continues to foolishly try, Race with Barack, you are going to see one of the most furious uprisings since they tabled the Salvery debate in the senate for 7 years.

When you're playing games with the Republican party, there is zero room to screw around. Don't get in on tears and girl power and think they aren' planning Jeb's run in 2012.

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Miltamec Soundsquinaez

I'm voting for Clinton, and here's why:
Under Bill Clinton, we had a better economy, and we were more peaceful. We did have disputes, and unnecessary bombings in other countries. In fact, our foreign affairs weren't very good, but at least we didn't have any full scale wars.
I don't like the fact that she received money from lobbyists, but I truly believe her when she says she wants improved health care, and wants to fight for the poorer and more underprivileged Americans.
John Edwards has never accepted any money from lobbyists, but with all due respect, he probably never needed to. He does say he wants to fight for poorer Americans, but I hardly believe him. He teams up so much with Obama in the debates, and I don't even think he wants to see a Democrat win the upcoming election.
I'm passionate about a president who would fight for the poorer people, because they realize as it is right now, a lot of them can unnecessarily live off of unemployment and disability, and who wouldn't want to. We don't believe in the leaders in this country-from the president, down to CEO's of companies, to managers at the local fast food chain.
They've had a saying in this country for a long time, that the current president embodies the nation, and then we the people of the nation, come to not only fight for, but resemble our president in many ways.
Well, that's probably why our country is so divided right now. We have the most unpopular president in our country's history.
I was in Texas the other day, and some dude wearin' a cowboy hat, who looked like he could have been one of Bush's close friends, came up to me and said, "We've got a woman running for president, can you believe that?" I told him yes, and I was voting for her. He responded "Shoot, women can't handle the stress. Men are made to handle stress. Women get all (makes idiotic distressed sounding voice) I pretended to listen to him for a while, then walked away.
Yeah, women can't take the stress. That explains why women perennially outlive men by about 6 or 7 years. I'm so sick of idiot traditionalists thinking that a president crying and showing vulnerability would encourage terrorism.
Yeah, I can just imagine the Taliban watching videos of her crying, and immediately linking that up a weak military and poor national defense. "Jeez, we could probably take over the whole country with her running the damn thing." Just because you're frozen inside, and had your feelings beat out of you doesn't mean crying is a weakness. It justs means that it's different. And we need a change.

sleepy jack

Hillary isn't Bill Clinton.

If he doesn't want a democratic win why wold he be running?

Hillary is a walking talking slave to the corporations. She isn't the presidential equivalent to Robin Hood.

I don't think that sexist attitude is much different than saying she's going to be the same president as her husband.

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Hey Crowquill, who would you be supporting in the upcoming election. I'm guessing that it would be a Democrat, based on a lot of your arguments.
I'm not sexist, but I like people who express their emotions, and wear their heart on their sleeve.
They say that emotional and irrational go hand in hand, but I doubt that, because emotional people are also very often introspective. An introspective candidate is the number one thing I'm looking for in the upcoming election. We have a lot of problems facing our country, and I want a presidentwho will not be afraid to admit they are wrong if their policies are not heading in the right direction. I see all the other candidates as being way too stubborn, and Hillary as a person who could actually admit she is wrong.

sleepy jack

I don't really know, since I'm not voting I haven't put super much thought in it but I like Gravel and Kucinich a lot.

"It's not a very big thing to say, "I made a mistake" on the war, and typical of Hillary Clinton that she can't. She's so advised by so many smart advisers who are covering every base. I think that America was better served when the candidates were chosen in smoke-filled rooms." - David Geffen

"Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling." - David Geffen once again, a man who signed Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Tom waits and a former friend of the Clintons. I trust his insight into them more than I trust someone who's never met them and is displaying some obvious ignorance of Hillary, she IS a corporate whore. Once again, I don't really understand why you seem to think she's the presidential equivalent to Robin Hood, she's not.

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sleepy jack

That's such a lazy and horrible attitude though. Too many Americans are comfortable with just settling for the lesser of two evils while perfectly good candidates sit there getting nothing. Why vote for any evil when you can vote for good? It makes no sense to me.

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"I am watching Hillary Clinton in her victory speech in new Hampshire...they just threw a bunch of college kids behind her, and had her talk about student loans, and had her daughter come out for a long awkward hug...does anyone actually buy it? Surely young people are too media savvy to be fooled by this kind of shit.
do we live in a democracy so we can just keep electing the same families?"

Win Butler<333

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In a word, yes.

Gates_of_Iscariot

The United states will have failed yet again if they elect this woman, I am not against woman, but honestly, this cold bitch should not be in office, her health care plan is Bull****. Kucinich would be grand, but i still am anti leadership, Being a nasty libertarian that I am. I wont be voting, because im not registering either.

Id be happy if he won, but theres hardly a chance, and then there would be thousands of militaristic protesters, and right, and left wing ****balls all over the place.

TheBig3

No one does win in a nuclear war, but what’s that got to do with dismantling our nuclear weapons?

And on another point, what does being rich have to do with setting an example? I’m missing the inherent point on which being rich means being responsible. And I’m not saying that the U.S. shouldn’t but I don’t think that’s the argument. The pound is kicking our ass, the Euro is beating us out, so I’d refute our “richness” to begin with.

I’ll just pose a question to you, there were a few seasoned Hawks in the country saying that invading Iran was necessary. My opinions on this will be removed but I want yours, is the U.S. more likely to invade Iran when they do have nuclear weapons, or when they do not. And if your answer is “when they do,” don’t you think that the act of having the capability prevents nuclear war more powerfully than not having them?

We dropped an Atomic bomb on Japan because they couldn’t do it back. Would we have if they had the ability to? I’m not the first one to suggest that every countries foreign diplomacy is a self interested one but I certainly agree with it. The threat of retaliation keeps more at bay than the foolish ideology that we can all get together under the umbrella of Democratic Peace Theory and get over our differences.


Kucinich would be a nightmare that would plunge the country into vicious disarray. DK is the foolishly left candidate that all the apolitical, unrealistic children vote for. And I’m well aware that sounds snotty but I also believe that it sounds true.

And if I may, the “The U.S. will fail again” comment back up my statement that a self-hating American is not anyone I’d want voting. America did bad things? Revelation! I’ve got news for you. Every country does ****ty things, and still do and you’d be hard pressed to find any country that plays by all the rules amazingly well. Whether it’s the denial of homosexuals, the holocaust, or violations in whaling and the suppression of free speech, even your minute Norse lands can’t claim the idiotic perfection that you believe countries should live up to.

I’m massively pro-western and find more comfort in the ability to change things than the ability to feign perfection. The U.S. is still more liberal with regard to immigration, class structure and education than roughly 99% of the world. The U.S. fails quite a bit, but you fail constantly when you don’t ever see its positive features and judge it on a scale that no country will ever achieve.

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