nice south park reference. :thumb:

What does alcohol or tabacco do thats bad?


less to do with your nationality...more to do with the lack of grammar and foolish arguments.

plenty of things
but i picked the most unusual one out

I was kidding sorry next time I will check my spelling and grammar......sir

No worries, I'm not much for bitch fighting:beer:

I am pro-life. I feel that abortion is wrong, and constitues murder. I agree that the mother has the right to do with her body as she pleases, but when her choice affects the life another, albeit an unborn life, it is wrong.

I am not necessarily anti-g@y marriage, but I do believe that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman. But it is not my place to tell a grown person what to do with their body. If homosexuals want to say their vows, exchange rings and have a beautiful ceremony, I am all for it. Everyone deserves to be happy. But throwing the "marriage" label on it is what seems wrong to me, call me old fashioned.

And I am not necessarily anti-amnesty, but I believe it should b done right. Entering this country illegally is a felony. Felons should not be rewarded with amnesty. I believe that the illegals should be deported back to their home country, and then alloted a route to re-enter the country LEGALLY. This would be the best way to handle the situation, but it wouldn't be logical. Rounding up all of the illegals (estimated at 5-25 million) would be an impossible task. I don't know, I guess that's why I'm not president..

It's her unborn, unthinking fetus and will end up being her child, no one elses. It's hardly fair to stick a rape victim with a child she doesn't want, hell it's hardly fair to stick anyone with birthing something they want. Plus banning abortions just leads to back alley abortions which is very messy and will cause not only problems for the mother but problems with society in general. Clean abortion clinics with professionals who know what they're doing are a very good thing. Though I tend to stay away from argument this subject because I'm not the one carrying it for 9 months.

It's not like someone can control their sexual desires and I think everyone should have the chance to be married. It's good for a relationship and offers a sense of fidelity and security that all happy couples deserve. We can't keep clinging to old traditions especially ones that just encourage prejudices and close-mindedness. Homosexuals deserve every right heterosexuals deserve just like african americans deserve every right white americans deserve.

I think it's ridiculous it's even an issue and we should stop listening to christians on this subject, the bible is wrong on many things and half them don't understand the bible. Also dictionary definitions have been changed several times throughout the history of it, why can't we change this one too? The dictionary isn't law and basing an argument on it is ridiculous (I realize you didn't say this I'm more just stating something that bugs me when people argue against it.)

Our economy would be fucked over (even more so) if you got rid of all the illegal immigrants in our country. Aside from that I can hardly blame them for wanting to come over. The majority of Mexicans that are middle aged to older men who cross the border on there own to get a job and then they send cash to their families over the border because they just can't make fair wages over there which is The United States's fault and we have no interesting in fixing it or trying to help. America launched a huge predatory lending spree on Mexico like 35 years ago and it's been a huge factor in Mexico's now poor economic situation. Then Mexico hired an America accounting group to help sort it out and with the help of the US Government Mexico began building all the low wage malquiladoras and they working conditions are pretty sub standard for every country and have turned back allies of cities like Juarez into basically killing fields for Mexican women. Anyway, the farmers from Mexico are being forced from there land and sent to work in factories. This smashes possibly generations of culture and history for these people and take away the only life that they have ever know. Many people simply move to the city and work in the factories there for sub standard wages so they can go home to there 3 room shitty houses and try to raise there family, but many also seek the border as a possibility. Meanwhile the US continues to push Mexico into a minimum pay war with other countries to establish them as a low cost alternative to Asian manufacturing. This way US companies can keep up with there slave labor wages and at the same time save on sending it over sea by sending it across the border. The United States has put Mexico into a complete quagmire and leaves them no practical solutions to get out.

I don't really get the whole abortion argument. Personally, I don't think it constitutes murder, but why would it matter even if it did? Hunting constitutes murder, war constitutes murder, the death penalty constitutes murder, going to KFC and grabbing a bucket of chicken wings constitutes murder. In the United States, it would appear that murder is generally considered a-ok so long as it's benefiting society in some way or another, and the legalization of abortion bears far too many benefits for it to be justly held down by these imbecilic Christians.

It obviously belongs to the father as well.


I agree somewhat. I just think that in cases like this the baby could be put up for adoption, rather than aborted. I realize that our adoption and foster care system is already packed to the brim, but even in cases of rape as you stated, there's still an innocent child's life at stake. Maybe I'm a bleeding heart, I dunno. I just think abortion is wrong.

I think your just being a wee bit stereotypical. If abortion is banned, I don't think women will be troliing around back alleys with a coat hanger trying to abort their unborn children left and right. If it's banned, they will simply birth their children. Perhaps I'm an optimist, but I believe that even if you don't want your child, someone else does.


I agree 100% that every person has the right to be happy (within reason, we've all seen "To Catch A Predator" on DateLine lol).I'm all for homosexuals joining together in a life-long bond, but I just have trouble calling it a "marriage." But they most certainly deserve the same rights and securities as a heterosexual couple. I hate to seemingly be close minded, but that's just how I feel about it.

You have every right to your own opinion. I didn't base my stances on the bible or christianity, just on my own personal beliefs.

Our economy always needs all the help it can get, but hiring illegals is not the answer to economic prosperity.While these illegals make more than they would ever make in mexico, they still earn very meager wages here in the states, which is unfair to them. They also pay no income tax, which is unfair to the other hard-working americans who do. I do realize that we need these immigrants in order to make the cogs of our economy turn, but we must do things right, These people came here ILLEGALLY. I realize that had good reason to leave mexico, but they sill broke the law nonetheless, and should not be rewarded with full amnesty for that.

What I personally believe we should do is to offer illegals a ROAD to amnesty. Give them the option to either go back to their home country and return here legally, or let them serve in the armed forces for 4 years, and then grant them their amnesty.

I agree that they have little incentive to stay in mexico, but that is hardly America's fault. How is it our fault that mexico has no minimum wage or labor laws? I'm stumped on this one.


A predatory lending spree? You do see the contadiction with that statement, right? No one forced mexico to do anything.


This is a sad truth. Mexico does nothing to take care of it's impoverished. I have been to mexicao before and seen it first hand. It is not america's fault that mexico is in such poor shape, but we should be doing much more to help. We need to expedite and simplify the process of coming to the US legally, no excuses.


The US has been infamous for pimping out our labor. I doubt that Mexico is a "low cost alternative" in comparison with child-filled factories in cambodia and loas, but they still do the work for an unfair wage. While the wage is undoubtedly unfair, it is still money. Pimping our workload out to mexico only puts more money into their weak economy, which is helps them.

Did you seriously just compare taking the life of an unborn child to scarfin' down a KFC chicken wing? How does killing a child benefit society?

Hunting is obviously murder. I only condone hunting when it is a way to obtain food. If you're just sittin' on your porch and shooting cats with a shotgun, then there's obviously something wrong with you.

Abortion is murder. It is taking the life of another human being w/o their consent. There's no way around that. It has nothing to do with imbecilic Christians, or imbecils of other religions.

Serious question: Does anyone believe in compramise around here? Is anyone a moderate?