Wayfarer

So, what? They're supposed to get married...and pretend like it's not marriage? Why don't you pretend like it's not marriage? You're the ones bitching, you fantasize.

sleepy jack

You're missing the point entirely. That isn't equality, it's not even close to equality. You can bitch all you want about it being equal rights and securities but if it's not the same title it's not the same thing. By encouraging this sick idea homosexuals are different from normal people by doing things like making their marriage different you're just ensuring that prejudices can stick around for an even longer time. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Stop with the stupid analogies. Starving to death and getting married aren't the same thing nor are they even close to being the same thing.

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djchameleon

I did notice you said some women but most women I talk to are not voting for Hilary because she is a woman. they are voting for other people because like you said , she's just not the right one for the job.

TheBig3

Do you support his assertion that we should dismantle our nuclear weapons?

And the "not a huge issue" I was speaking about a few posts back was that she campigned in michigan, not the lobbiest action.

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TheBig3

The problem with "marriage" is ten fold.

1. Firstly, the contention a lot of leftists have as well states-rights, anti-federalists is that the government doesn't have to know this sort of thing and ultimately it should have no bearing on "my life."

As Ron Paul once stated in debate, the whole reason the government even started issuing marriage licenses is for tax purposes. And that’s really what we're arguing over. I don't think homosexuals want to be recognized as married in the eyes of the catholic church. And I don't think homosexuals care about the taxes really either. Its equality. And we have a history in this country of understanding that "separate but equal is inherently unequal."

They know that too well and their aware that the only way that people get treated the same is if they get the same things. If the change the rulings on marrige and everyones married then everyone changes.

My question to you would be: If homosexuals get the same rights in a civil union as they do in marriage, then why do you care if they are recognized as married?

This is a very hollow issue in my eyes. Its not the economy where people lose jobs over it, can't feed their kids and have to sell their homes. Its not the war, its not immigration, and its not healthcare.

If those things change, your life changes. If two ***s call themselves married nothing happens to you. Nothing. There is no reason to not have them be "married", especially when that argument (once its proved to be sound) has to fend off the equality argument.

Now lets talk about anything substantive.

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sleepy jack

Kind of, I can sort of see what he's saying but I think he's only looking at one side of it. In support of it, as the richest country in the world and all that shit we set examples and I think in doing that we would set a very good one for the rest of the world and hopefully start a trend in dismantling them. Of course some countries wouldn't follow but even if a few did it would be a very good thing but the ones that didn't follow would be a threat and a problem and with nuclear weapons on our side they'd think twice so yeah.

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ProggyMan

Just my position on abortion...I don't consider a hunk of flesh without a brain, incapable of thought or feeling to be a person. If anyone cares it specifically says that killing a fetus isn't murder in the Torah.

sleepy jack

"I am watching Hillary Clinton in her victory speech in new Hampshire...they just threw a bunch of college kids behind her, and had her talk about student loans, and had her daughter come out for a long awkward hug...does anyone actually buy it? Surely young people are too media savvy to be fooled by this kind of shit.
do we live in a democracy so we can just keep electing the same families?"

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SATCHMO

In a word, yes.

Gates_of_Iscariot

The United states will have failed yet again if they elect this woman, I am not against woman, but honestly, this cold bitch should not be in office, her health care plan is Bull****. Kucinich would be grand, but i still am anti leadership, Being a nasty libertarian that I am. I wont be voting, because im not registering either.

Id be happy if he won, but theres hardly a chance, and then there would be thousands of militaristic protesters, and right, and left wing ****balls all over the place.