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Inuzuka Skysword · 11-12-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal

I believe the intelligence and sensibility of this guys entire post can be summed up into:
"HELLS YEAH! Saying things that are nonsensical without any backing, it r what makes me teh coolz!"

Well I would hope you would understand why, yourself. Having universal health care just gives a government, which will always be full of error, more control of your money. It is absolutely dangerous and will force even more taxes on people, which probably won't be worth it because I doubt the universal health care system will be good.

cardboard adolescent · 11-12-2007, 09:32 PM

If you're anti-health care you're pro-death.

Inuzuka Skysword · 11-12-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

If you're anti-health care you're pro-death.

I am anti-universal healthcare.

cardboard adolescent · 11-12-2007, 09:36 PM

Alright, so you're only selectively pro-death. With the selection being poor people.

TheBig3 · 11-12-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I am anti-universal healthcare.

I went to the emergency room once because I was dehydrated and couldn't keep water down. They gave me an IV tube full of saline and I was fine.

That cost me $2000. As a student I could not afford that. You think a guy with three kids and a wife can afford something like angioplasty or cat scans every three months to monitor his degenerative muscular disease?

Universal Health care is a ****ty idea when you're healthy. Otherwise, its the only thing keeping your ass out of the red.

When a society refuses to put the good health and prosperity of its citizens first, then there is no reason to defend that society and no reason to put any work into it at all.

MURDER JUNKIE · 11-13-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

You've clearly had no experience with men

heh, heh

Yes I'm immature and no I'm not getting involved in your pissing contest, and by your I mean everybody

Barnard17 · 11-13-2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Well I would hope you would understand why, yourself. Having universal health care just gives a government, which will always be full of error, more control of your money. It is absolutely dangerous and will force even more taxes on people, which probably won't be worth it because I doubt the universal health care system will be good.

You're the typical right wing American that's never even bothered to look at a Universal Healthcare system, just listens to the negative propaganda and spews it back. Look at any country with a fully subsidised healthcare system and you'll see the wellbeing and mental health of those on low income is so many times better, it's not some massive Government hoarding money and then pissing it away on nothing. People use it, people need it and people get raped of their money if they only have access to health insurance and private healthcare because here's rarely enough regulation on what they're allowed to charge and it's impossible to prepare to have enough money spare just incase you need surgery or long term treatment like cancer. Hell look at Cuba who have the best healthcare system in the world, which is also Universal.

Pretty much the same goes for all your comments. You make statements which you've plainly done put no research or genuine thought into because they're so wildly retarded and you provide no evidence to back up your assertions.

littleknowitall · 11-13-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fal

You're the typical right wing American that's never even bothered to look at a Universal Healthcare system, just listens to the negative propaganda and spews it back. Look at any country with a fully subsidised healthcare system and you'll see the wellbeing and mental health of those on low income is so many times better, it's not some massive Government hoarding money and then pissing it away on nothing. People use it, people need it and people get raped of their money if they only have access to health insurance and private healthcare because here's rarely enough regulation on what they're allowed to charge and it's impossible to prepare to have enough money spare just incase you need surgery or long term treatment like cancer. Hell look at Cuba who have the best healthcare system in the world, which is also Universal.

Pretty much the same goes for all your comments. You make statements which you've plainly done put no research or genuine thought into because they're so wildly retarded and you provide no evidence to back up your assertions.

Agreed.

Put me down as music banters singular self proclaimed socialist.

anzamatik · 11-13-2007, 01:24 PM

I don't consider myself a pure conservative, although like a lot of the other people on this board I am an independent, I have a kind of centrist attitude towards most policies.

One thing I do share with conservatives, though, is an occasion disdain for liberal viewpoints. I don't support the war in iraq but there are other issues where I fall on the right-wing side. Unfortunately, most independent organizations are under liberal control, for example, Unity08. They want to elect a centrist ticket with one republican and one democrat, which is an interesting proposition. However, they also have a website where you can rank the importance of socio-political issues -- unity08.com/issues (couldn't make it a live link). As you can see, energy independence is the top issue. I don't disagree that it's an issue, but the top issue? I wish that more independent conservatives would get involved in these things rather than toeing the GOP party line, but that's just me.

riseagainstrocks · 11-13-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr

education shouldnt be mandated
neither should medical
or
anything for that matter
'if defense wasnt mandated by the governement, and there was no government, and someone attacke dus, there wouldnt be a fight, and thered be nothing to seize control of, so there fore, itd only be for resources

Your logic is atrocious.

I'm a social liberal and fiscal conservative. For the most part.

and I really don't want to get involved with this, but I can't let such statements as "universal health care rulz" to go unchallenged, so I'm just going to quote myself from another board.

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Originally Posted by me

"Free" health care isn't free. I'd end up paying for all those poor ****s to go to the clinic to pick up their methadone. And if I ever got very sick on average I'd have to wait several days for treatment because it doesn't matter if I have MONEY to pay for TREATMENT, I have to wait in line because some bureaucrat thinks that he knows how the funding for and the allocation of resources should work at that hospital.

And while I'm at it, I think it's hilarious when Europeans adopt this holier than thou attitidue about the way their union is run. I have news for you, the EU is already heading for collapse. You have Germany and England essentially propping up the economy while countries like Italy drag it down because they can't elect a decent government. In 10 years tops it won't exist and we'll see how wonderful your "socialistic" government is.

and I DO have a proposal for what we should do! Crazy I know!

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Complete privatization of health care. If you need it, you pay for it (or you pay for insurance which helps). And free clinics can operate too, by philanthropy.

If you privatize, competetion will spring up. Better doctors who compete for patients by having competetive pricing. Everyone wins.

11-12-2007, 09:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	If you're anti-health care you're pro-death.

11-12-2007, 09:36 PM	#24 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Alright, so you're only selectively pro-death. With the selection being poor people.

11-13-2007, 01:24 PM	#29 (permalink)
anzamatik Groupie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Clubland, USA Posts: 17	I don't consider myself a pure conservative, although like a lot of the other people on this board I am an independent, I have a kind of centrist attitude towards most policies. One thing I do share with conservatives, though, is an occasion disdain for liberal viewpoints. I don't support the war in iraq but there are other issues where I fall on the right-wing side. Unfortunately, most independent organizations are under liberal control, for example, Unity08. They want to elect a centrist ticket with one republican and one democrat, which is an interesting proposition. However, they also have a website where you can rank the importance of socio-political issues -- unity08.com/issues (couldn't make it a live link). As you can see, energy independence is the top issue. I don't disagree that it's an issue, but the top issue? I wish that more independent conservatives would get involved in these things rather than toeing the GOP party line, but that's just me.