The Recreational Drug Thread (member, quote, memory, 2005, hands)

[bungalow]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I want.
I think that's the only major thing I haven't tried.
Well, I suspect I've done PCP but unless I do something knowingly, I don't really feel qualified to analyze its effects.

Have you had a full on Salvia trip? I've been wondering how that compares to DMT, if at all.

I don't think I've ever really blasted off with salvia. The most it has ever done is left me rambling gibberish, no intense visuals. Then again when I was smoking the DMT I made a point to just sit with my eyes shut and let the CEVs come at me. When I smoked the salvia I opened my eyes, got up and walked around, etc. so I never really gave it a shot to hit me the way the DMT did.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by bungalow

I don't think I've ever really blasted off with salvia. The most it has ever done is left me rambling gibberish, no intense visuals. Then again when I was smoking the DMT I made a point to just sit with my eyes shut and let the CEVs come at me. When I smoked the salvia I opened my eyes, got up and walked around, etc. so I never really gave it a shot to hit me the way the DMT did.

Yea I would always have my eyes closed on Salvia. The intensity of those trips were far more insane than any acid or shroom trip I've ever had, and I've had some massively intense acid/shroom trips.
But the Salvia trip is just so short lived. Thank god. It's hugely scary. Words can't even explain what you see. It's another dimension altogether and it's like it's woven together as a fabric of all your repressed memories, fears, wonders, everything. It's just too dumbfounding to rationalize and by the time you come out of it, you barely remember what happened.

[bungalow]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Yea I would always have my eyes closed on Salvia. The intensity of those trips were far more insane than any acid or shroom trip I've ever had, and I've had some massively intense acid/shroom trips.
But the Salvia trip is just so short lived. Thank god. It's hugely scary. Words can't even explain what you see. It's another dimension altogether and it's like it's woven together as a fabric of all your repressed memories, fears, wonders, everything. It's just too dumbfounding to rationalize and by the time you come out of it, you barely remember what happened.

That sounds very similar to my DMT experiences. After the first pull from the pipe there was an instant change in perception--my body felt heavier, my heart started beating faster and everything and everyone around me looked alien and surreal. At this point I would shut my eyes and takes as many more hits from the pipe as I could and hold my breath for as long as possible and what happens after that is almost too ridiculous to describe with words. I immediately feel like I've disconnected from my body--I'm floating in this strange inter-dimensional space, a massive void with faintly colored geometrical patterns (chrysanthemum) swaying to a very slow rhythm. Then came a bombardment of images. Everything I'd ever seen--from bits of pop-culture to my parents to flashes of events and situations from my past--was materializing from deep within the void and hurtling towards me. That all lasted probably a minute or so when what I can best describe as one of those giant worms from the desert-areas in Final Fantasy sort of stretched itself out from the void--it was still overlaid with the same geometric, graph-like pattern that was covering everything else. This thing led me somewhere, not sure exactly where. Everything remained sort of darkened and I was still in the void area but now there were giant, shining bodies of water--like a lake or something when the sun is hitting it an it is reflecting all the light. I wandered through this with the worm for a while when the effects started to wean. Coming down you just feel weird as fuck. You sort of just sit there bewildered wondering when you'll be able to come to terms with what you just experienced.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by bungalow

That sounds very similar to my DMT experiences. After the first pull from the pipe there was an instant change in perception--my body felt heavier, my heart started beating faster and everything and everyone around me looked alien and surreal. At this point I would shut my eyes and takes as many more hits from the pipe as I could and hold my breath for as long as possible and what happens after that is almost too ridiculous to describe with words. I immediately feel like I've disconnected from my body--I'm floating in this strange inter-dimensional space, a massive void with faintly colored geometrical patterns (chrysanthemum) swaying to a very slow rhythm. Then came a bombardment of images. Everything I'd ever seen--from bits of pop-culture to my parents to flashes of events and situations from my past--were materializing from deep within the void and hurtling towards me. That all lasted probably a minute or so when what I can best describe as one of those giant worms from the desert-areas in Final Fantasy sort of stretched itself out from the void--it was still overlaid with the same geometric, graph-like pattern that was covering everything else. This thing led me somewhere, not sure exactly where. Everything remained sort of darkened and I was still in the void area but now there were giant, shining bodies of water--like a lake or something when the sun is hitting it an it is reflecting all the light. I wandered through this with the worm for a while when the effects started to wean. Coming down you just feel weird as fuck. You sort of just sit there bewildered wondering when you'll be able to come to terms with what you just experienced.

Wow. Yea that sounds a lot like a Salvia trip.
I bet that most of the same mechanisms of action are going on with both drugs for the most part. I know there is very little research on how the chemicals in Salvia interact with receptors in the brain, but I'm not sure about DMT. I'm sure eventually there will be enough study and I'm willing to bet that there would be a lot of similarities between the two.

[duga]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Wow. Yea that sounds a lot like a Salvia trip.
I bet that most of the same mechanisms of action are going on with both drugs for the most part. I know there is very little research on how the chemicals in Salvia interact with receptors in the brain, but I'm not sure about DMT. I'm sure eventually there will be enough study and I'm willing to bet that there would be a lot of similarities between the two.

if salvia wasn't short, i think it may have had some lasting consequences on my psyche. but...it is...and honestly i think salvia is my favorite psychedelic. i have a different experience every time i take it. i read somewhere that you brain could take 2 paths with it...either your mind is ready and it accepts what is about to happen and you end up going on a crazy trip or your mind freaks and goes into instinct mode. the latter is what happens on those youtube videos where the person flips and they have to hold him/her down until it is over.

there has been a lot of research done on dmt...and one scientist in particular has a theory about how it allows you to see parallel worlds. a lot of people who trip on it claim to see floating orbs of energy with perceived intelligence, weird lizard creatures, little tiny dwarves, or any number of "intelligent life" hallucinations. considering the evolutionary paths life could take in the world, all these visions makes sense (at least to me). who knows.

[bungalow]

Originally Posted by duga

there has been a lot of research done on dmt...and one scientist in particular has a theory about how it allows you to see parallel worlds. a lot of people who trip on it claim to see floating orbs of energy with perceived intelligence, weird lizard creatures, little tiny dwarves, or any number of "intelligent life" hallucinations. considering the evolutionary paths life could take in the world, all these visions makes sense (at least to me). who knows.

Good ol' Terence.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

This.

Every time I've had salvia it's been insane, which is why I don't get it when people say they've never had any good trips with salvia.

Like Freebase says it's another dimension all together, which is scary, but awesome too if you're having a good trip. After what I saw on my first salvia trip it took me hours before I could even begin to explain what happened. Which is why it's important that you always have sitters to make sure you stay sitting down and no wandering off in the world that you think you're in, but you're not.

Man, I could never get up and wander off in that world. That world doesn't have a floor on which to walk on in my trips. I think the closest thing to a floor I ever saw was when I was stuck to the bottom of a cliff made of color and energy, staring at this extra-dimensional being whos' eyes, face, and ears were sucked into the cliff wall and up, over the edge. And there was a presence just over the top of the edge that was overwhelming. I was just stuck there, sideways, at the bottom of the cliff... this creature staring at me, I'm scared shitless and can't move. Time had no meaning and I felt like I was there forever.
Honestly, that was not a good trip. It was strong, but I do not equate that to "good". Every salvia trip I've ever had was full of negative emotion. But it's just so amazing how deep you go into your own psyche that you often try to go back to see if you can figure out why you're so afraid.