The Recreational Drug Thread

GuD · 02-25-2015, 03:50 PM

I don't really care about sympathy when I make those obnoxious self loathing posts n stuff, it's just me venting in a place I shouldn't after coming down because I'm too far gone to realize how stupid I'm being. If tagging makes me an ******* by your standards that's really irrelevant to me, I'm not asking for your approval either. The biggest point I'm trying to make in regards to graffiti is that there's more to it than you seem to understand. There's technique. There are aesthetic standards. There is culture. There are values. All of that varies completely depending on who you're asking but the fact of the matter is art is the process of making something with an aesthetic in mind and graffiti is exactly that. If you fail to see it as anything but scribbles on property that's you being ignorant and not taking the time to see what goes into it. Seeing as you live in Virginia it makes sense that maybe you've only ever seen ****ty tags and weak pieces that were hastily thrown together and basically just subconciously say "Look at me! I ****ed up your shit! Haha! **** you!". When it's done right, tagging is pretty much calligraphy. It's penmanship. You could put as much thought into it as you would with a particularly elaborate signature. Wanted or not, there's a craft behind it and it's ****ing exhausting explaining and defending it to every damn square who probably doesn't pay attention to what things look like anyways. Whenever someone says graffiti is just scribbles I always tell them to try it and see if they can do it. Sometimes they think they did but the fact is they never ****ing can. Ever.

The Batlord · 02-25-2015, 03:55 PM

Chula Vista · 02-25-2015, 04:00 PM

Dude, you're missing the point. Do your art on paper or canvas. Or find someone who will sanction you doing it on their building, wall, railway car, etc.

But just doing it on any damn random surface that you choose, without permission, is being a vandal and a douche bag.

That's the point.

debaserr · 02-25-2015, 06:32 PM

TLwishiDR

simplephysics · 02-26-2015, 08:55 AM

I don't see any problems with graffiti artists painting trains, honestly. I think that subculture is pretty neat. Recognizing other's work, having your "art" travel around the country, etc (so long as your pieces actually look *good*) But when you throw up junk on buildings, especially businesses or homes that people have to pass by or look at day in and day out, that's not cool. I live in a pretty ****ty neighborhood with a lot of abandoned buildings and homes in disrepair, I don't really appreciate taggers making the area look even worse.

~~James~~ · 02-27-2015, 10:42 AM

Graffiti is nice in concept, but it always looks ****. So therefore I hate it.

Plankton · 02-27-2015, 10:42 AM

There is a definite distinction between some low life jerk with a marker, and an actually graffiti artist. It's really not fair to put them both in the same basket, and the difference between a piece of art on a traditional canvas, or on the side of a building is the emotional impact. It does have a place, but where I draw the line is all the gang tagging. It serves no purpose other than territorial dominance.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-27-2015, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plankton

There is a definite distinction between some low life jerk with a marker, and an actually graffiti artist. It's really not fair to put them both in the same basket, and the difference between a piece of art on a traditional canvas, or on the side of a building is the emotional impact. It does have a place, but where I draw the line is all the gang tagging. It serves no purpose other than territorial dominance.

I really have no issue with graffiti when the canvas/building is sanctioned to perform the work. My issue has always been tagging/painting on someone elses property. Its the ultimate in juvenile depravity. Thats really my only issue is that nobody asked for said person to paint **** on their house.

Plankton · 02-27-2015, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I really have no issue with graffiti when the canvas/building is sanctioned to perform the work. My issue has always been tagging/painting on someone elses property. Its the ultimate in juvenile depravity. Thats really my only issue is that nobody asked for said person to paint **** on their house.

I'm with ya 100%. Whether it's on the side of your own house, or on public property, guess who pays for removing it.

Black Francis · 02-27-2015, 11:09 AM

But what if you really liked his tagging? wouldn't it be then a public favour?

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02-25-2015, 03:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	I don't really care about sympathy when I make those obnoxious self loathing posts n stuff, it's just me venting in a place I shouldn't after coming down because I'm too far gone to realize how stupid I'm being. If tagging makes me an ***** by your standards that's really irrelevant to me, I'm not asking for your approval either. The biggest point I'm trying to make in regards to graffiti is that there's more to it than you seem to understand. There's technique. There are aesthetic standards. There is culture. There are values. All of that varies completely depending on who you're asking but the fact of the matter is art is the process of making something with an aesthetic in mind and graffiti is exactly that. If you fail to see it as anything but scribbles on property that's you being ignorant and not taking the time to see what goes into it. Seeing as you live in Virginia it makes sense that maybe you've only ever seen ty tags and weak pieces that were hastily thrown together and basically just subconciously say "Look at me! I ed up your shit! Haha! you!". When it's done right, tagging is pretty much calligraphy. It's penmanship. You could put as much thought into it as you would with a particularly elaborate signature. Wanted or not, there's a craft behind it and it's ing exhausting explaining and defending it to every damn square who probably doesn't pay attention to what things look like anyways. Whenever someone says graffiti is just scribbles I always tell them to try it and see if they can do it. Sometimes they think they did but the fact is they never **ing can. Ever. __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

02-25-2015, 04:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Dude, you're missing the point. Do your art on paper or canvas. Or find someone who will sanction you doing it on their building, wall, railway car, etc. But just doing it on any damn random surface that you choose, without permission, is being a vandal and a douche bag. That's the point. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

02-25-2015, 06:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	TLwishiDR __________________ Last.FM

02-27-2015, 10:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Plankton Just Keep Swimming... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: See signature... Posts: 7,765	There is a definite distinction between some low life jerk with a marker, and an actually graffiti artist. It's really not fair to put them both in the same basket, and the difference between a piece of art on a traditional canvas, or on the side of a building is the emotional impact. It does have a place, but where I draw the line is all the gang tagging. It serves no purpose other than territorial dominance. __________________ See location...

02-27-2015, 10:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	Graffiti is nice in concept, but it always looks ****. So therefore I hate it.

02-27-2015, 11:09 AM	#10 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	But what if you really liked his tagging? wouldn't it be then a public favour? __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

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