I'm really not too sure about the nausea thing - I mean, I definitely boiled and then dried out and crushed the seeds up pretty much every time I've done 'em. Like I said, only saw one person get sick - BUT - I think that if you were to just get like, Burpee seeds or something, there would be more crap on them. There are places online where you can get more "untreated" seeds which is what I did, and the other friends who've purchased seeds did.

Apparently, nausea can still be a side effect of 'em, even if precautions are taken...but, then again, it's like that with shrooms, too. I've seen people lose their lunch after taking shrooms. :(

BUT with that said, I would recommend 'em as a substitute. The trip isn't as long by a long shot, and it's not as strong as illegal psychedelics, but if you test yourself on a light dose as per this handy dandy table, you can see how you're affected for future endeavors.

Do these show up on drug tests? I have a friend in the Navy who is pretty experienced with psychedelic drugs, but has to stay sober, who might be interested in this. For awhile last year we smoked that spice crap, which he could smoke because it didn't show up on a piss test. His wife keeps on talking about how they can't wait till he's out so they can start smoking pot again, but I'm sure a trip or two together on this stuff and she could get her drug quota filled.

Hehe. This thread is now on page 420. That is all.

Drug tests don't test for LSA - HOWEVER - I did read an article regarding Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and Morning Glory Seeds (LSA) on Erowid earlier which says that there have been cases of them giving false positives for LSD.

It made it sound unlikely, and stressed also that LSD is rarely tested for in the first place - although in the military, I'd imagine that they would test for it.

EDIT: More digging around brought me to read this article on erowid, which says:

That's for the US Military, but still - they make it sound as though testing for LSD is difficult and costly, and something most people don't even bother with. Which I did not know.

Both LSA and LSD only stay in urine for approximately 72 hours anyway, though. And since it's not likely yet still possible that LSA could trigger a false positive, LSD isn't necessarily a standard test, and the odds of it triggering a false positive AND being detected seem slim at worst.

Wow, thank you for the thorough explanation. I'll ask my friend first if he's heard anything, plus some of the military guys I know up at school. Odds are looking good that I will give these a try, and hopefully avoid any of the less than flattering symptoms.

My friends sister got an amazing new bong today. I am very happy about this.

I'm getting very annoyed with the standard of drugs available in this country and the difficulty in acquiring them. Does anyone actually have a good dealer situation, where you can just call someone up and score good quality shit, every time?

I hate buying sub-standard drugs. For example, around here when you score acid you tend to get shit batches, and sometimes, out of the goodness of their hearts, they give you like one really good hit, which apparently isn't really for sale. I don't understand why they don't just up the price on the quality stuff, I mean I wouldn't have a problem paying more, but I wanna get my money's worth...>:[

I do - and I get what are, essentially, "wholesale" prices on it, e.g. LSD for $5/hit instead of $10. Which is a pretty nice set-up, but something I never had until about a year ago.

You just have to really luck into finally knowing the right people, I guess.

Yeah, I pay close to 20$ a hit...>:[

I do, I have a few guys who give me good **** everytime. But ofcourse I have the unreliable guy that gives me ****e gear all the time so nobody goes to him unless theyre really stuck :). Thats just for weed. I don't know many cocaine dealers that are reliable.