The Recreational Drug Thread

[duga]

Plus nothing quite beats the high of traditional smoking. Ingesting or vaporizing both produce different kinds of highs...definitely interesting and I give them both a go on occasion, but I still like the good old fashioned high of igniting the stuff.

[debaserr]

i have only vaped a handful of times. its worth trying, but after that its meh.

[crow t robot]

Originally Posted by duga

Plus nothing quite beats the high of traditional smoking. Ingesting or vaporizing both produce different kinds of highs...definitely interesting and I give them both a go on occasion, but I still like the good old fashioned high of igniting the stuff.

I'd have to agree with you there... A good friend of mine has a Volcano vaporizer, and it kicks ass.. If I got a vape, it would definitely be a volcano..But the ritual of the bong (or bubbler, etc), or rolling a joint just seems to satisfy me more.. I just re-upped yesterday, and am about to sit down to a fat bowl.. the question is, do i smoke the MK-Ultra, Skunkberry, Pineapple Express, Power Plant, or the Bubblegum.. choices..

[Thrice]

Wow, so much awesomeness in this thread. Just wanted to add my two cents. First off, like most others said, a great way to start off smoking would be glass piece. I would suggest a small inexpensive pipe, it is convenient, safe, and a great delivery method for a beginner. I think your trip sound pretty legit taking into account that you did not actually see spiders running around, and were able to pick them up etc... Shroom experiences can vary from the common effects described earlier, as there are a variety of different types of mushrooms. Do you know what type they were? Most of the experiences described sound like Psilocybes, which is the most common type. I have seen some crazy shit when hallucinating, including the Devil's head, which was about 3 feet tall and animated, and resembled frylock from ATHF, but was the most god damn terrifying thing I had ever seen, although it did not occur when dosing mushrooms. I think almost anything is possible when hallucinating. I have seen things, and realized they were not there, only to see them again, then having to re-assure myself they were not really there, a very frustrating and cyclic process, but always fun later on. I snagged a few cubes (Psilocybe Cubensis), we call them purple ringers here in FL, today but have not taken them yet, maybe tomorrow, Sunday is an excellent day to do it. Damn, Im rambling now. Glad you had an enjoyable experience, and looking forward to mine.

[debaserr]

you binged on green dragon for 1.5 weeks???

[duga]

To avoid derailing that top 5 thread, I've moved this discussion here.

Anyways, to respond to your other post, Freebase, I think we should specify what we both mean by "losing control". I've done psychedelics before that caused me to act in ways that I normally wouldn't, but I still had that conscious voice in the back of my head that knew it wasn't something I would normally do. And it was always enough to prevent me from tearing open someone's chest.

Now, about what I said about not being able to recall the experience. To give an example, I've known people who try salvia, freak out, and do the most ridiculous stuff. When they come to, they don't remember any of it. All they remember of the experience is that the world started to feel weird, then nothing but panic and after that us talking to them telling them it was ok.

I just don't think the total loss of all rational thought would result in any self realization or learning. But now I'm actually very curious about the effects of PCP, so I'm gonna do a bit of research tonight.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by duga

To avoid derailing that top 5 thread, I've moved this discussion here.

Anyways, to respond to your other post, Freebase, I think we should specify what we both mean by "losing control". I've done psychedelics before that caused me to act in ways that I normally wouldn't, but I still had that conscious voice in the back of my head that knew it wasn't something I would normally do. And it was always enough to prevent me from tearing open someone's chest.

Now, about what I said about not being able to recall the experience. To give an example, I've known people who try salvia, freak out, and do the most ridiculous stuff. When they come to, they don't remember any of it. All they remember of the experience is that the world started to feel weird, then nothing but panic and after that us talking to them telling them it was ok.

I just don't think the total loss of all rational thought would result in any self realization or learning. But now I'm actually very curious about the effects of PCP, so I'm gonna do a bit of research tonight.

Well, I've done Salvia. A lot. 20x in particular. Bought 6 grams of it when I was in the Army living in Germany. Some of your actions may be hard to remember, but I don't think it's near the same drug as PCP. Nor have I ever heard of someone killing and mutilating someone else's body while on Salvia.
Mostly, Salvia experiences are hard to articulate. I remember a majority of my trips... they're just VERY hard to explain. They're an inner experience far more than an outer one. The user is usually helpless during the 3 or 4 minutes he/she is out of control. (Thus the usefulness of a sitter)

As far as being 'out of control' on other psychedelics... I've had plenty experiences with far too much acid, and shrooms to the point where I didn't even remember my own name or who I was as a human being. And several experiences where I literally thought I was having a lucid dream and that my actions wouldn't matter in reality. Thankfully I had good friends there to stop me otherwise I probably wouldn't be here today.
I remember every detail of those experiences. And I was completely out of control. And I learned more about myself in those times than I have in any other.

I refuse to accept some standard formula to spread like a blanket over human experience just because we heard it from someone else. To me, that's you letting someone make decisions for you. I don't like that. Thus, I experience.
In my perspective, you only get a single span of time in which to do that.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by anticipation

Defying conventional drug knowledge is all well and good in theory, but when dealing with synthetically produced drugs it's not very practical. PCP, more than any drug I've seen being sold, has the highest chance of being adulterated or altered in such a way that absolutely devastates the mind. From one entheogenic psychonaut to another; trust me when I say that unless you are heavily sedated to the point where your body is at a near-paralytic state you have no idea what you're capable of. Sitters have no recourse when you have the ability to ignore basic human prevention reflexes or any judgement system whatsoever.

Honestly, it's just not worth it given the wealth of safer, or rather more well documented in both potency and purity, vehicles for self-exploration.

I was talking about sitters in a Salvia context, which I've more than enough experience with, both with myself and others, to generalize on.

As far as PCP... the original conversation I was having with Duga was that since I don't know what my reaction to PCP would be, and considering the evidence out there, I would be ok with trying it if I were restrained so that I couldn't act out my impulses/delusions/whatever.

I would be ok with doing it in that scenario.
Duga's argument was that it crosses the line, or something to that extent. Sorry, we had started it in another thread and I suggested we move it.

[duga]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Well, I've done Salvia. A lot. 20x in particular. Bought 6 grams of it when I was in the Army living in Germany. Some of your actions may be hard to remember, but I don't think it's near the same drug as PCP. Nor have I ever heard of someone killing and mutilating someone else's body while on Salvia.
Mostly, Salvia experiences are hard to articulate. I remember a majority of my trips... they're just VERY hard to explain. They're an inner experience far more than an outer one. The user is usually helpless during the 3 or 4 minutes he/she is out of control. (Thus the usefulness of a sitter)

I wasn't saying that you could go out of control and kill someone on salvia. I've done salvia far more than any other psychedelic...as strong as I could find it, too. I was simply using it as an example of how someone could freak out, lose control, and then not remember it in the the end.

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

As far as being 'out of control' on other psychedelics... I've had plenty experiences with far too much acid, and shrooms to the point where I didn't even remember my own name or who I was as a human being. And several experiences where I literally thought I was having a lucid dream and that my actions wouldn't matter in reality. Thankfully I had good friends there to stop me otherwise I probably wouldn't be here today.
I remember every detail of those experiences. And I was completely out of control. And I learned more about myself in those times than I have in any other.

I can totally understand what you are saying here. However, different drugs produce different effects. From the sound of it, PCP is a whole other level. I don't pretend to have any clue what happens when you are on it, but like I said...I'd rather have enough control to know I won't potentially kill someone.

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I refuse to accept some standard formula to spread like a blanket over human experience just because we heard it from someone else. To me, that's you letting someone make decisions for you. I don't like that. Thus, I experience.
In my perspective, you only get a single span of time in which to do that.

Well, I wouldn't stop you from trying PCP if you really wanted to. In fact, if I had a friend who wanted to and wanted me to sit for them, I would help them out. I would also make sure I had some way to restrain them. I just think there is a clear difference between allowing someone else's description of an experience make up your mind and ignoring the fact that PCP could be a very dangerous drug. I liken it to hearing that rat poison is found to produce some kind of intense psychedelic trip. Would I be curious? Sure. Would I try it? No...there is just too much risk involved. In that case, I would take someone else's word for it and wait for a different...safer...drug to come my way.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by duga

I wasn't saying that you could go out of control and kill someone on salvia. I've done salvia far more than any other psychedelic...as strong as I could find it, too. I was simply using it as an example of how someone could freak out, lose control, and then not remember it in the the end.



I can totally understand what you are saying here. However, different drugs produce different effects. From the sound of it, PCP is a whole other level. I don't pretend to have any clue what happens when you are on it, but like I said...I'd rather have enough control to know I won't potentially kill someone.



Well, I wouldn't stop you from trying PCP if you really wanted to. In fact, if I had a friend who wanted to and wanted me to sit for them, I would help them out. I would also make sure I had some way to restrain them. I just think there is a clear difference between allowing someone else's description of an experience make up your mind and ignoring the fact that PCP could be a very dangerous drug. I liken it to hearing that rat poison is found to produce some kind of intense psychedelic trip. Would I be curious? Sure. Would I try it? No...there is just too much risk involved. In that case, I would take someone else's word for it and wait for a different...safer...drug to come my way.

I wonder how many good trips people have had on PCP. I bet you haven't heard about any. And not because they don't exist either....

Either way, it's an interesting thing. I won't build a brick wall between me and it, nor me and any other thing until I actually know about it. That's my whole point. I just think people should be encouraged to be curious, even if they don't take it to the level of experience. At least give things two streets instead of one.