The Recreational Drug Thread

[lucifer_sam]

Originally Posted by Harry

I don't categorise using skag as necessarily deeming one a junkie automatically.. a junkie is someone whose strung out and can barely function without their drug. Those are the bums who do 'drop like flies,' but not everyone who uses is like that.
Although admittedly prior judgement aside, it does its toll on judging priorities regardless. And by that I only mean good things don't seem to good anymore, and bad things don't seem that bad.. or at least one won't care enough for either of em. Then again, anything can jumble up your priorities. A significant other is probably a worse drug than any!


aye mate.. I wouldn't judge you based on wot you put in your epidermis needle.
but in all seriousness, theres a million stupid people not doing drugs who feck up your little natural selection scheme. probably more than are.
And now why are opiates so 'overly idiotic' yet blokes can go off about their acid or coke or weed whenever they'd like? I'm not understanding where the bad rap comes from. Unless of course, YOU, sir, mister holier-than-thou, are XXX, in which case I'd understand your 'I dinnieken cos I've never tried it' attitude.

I didn't say sobriety was an index of intelligence, idiocy has very few limitations.

The bad rap stems from the ostensible fact that the majority of regular opiate users wind up addicted and a slave to the drug of their choice. Even if you manage to kick the habit, the index of relapse is so high that rehab clinics may see the same patient three, four times. Not to mention the glaring health consequences that exist just from regular use, I don't need to expound upon those, do I?

I have no problem with people using whatever drugs they choose. I do have a problem with people trying to justify those piss-poor decisions with corrupt logic. If getting high is really worth the risks you acknowledge exist, by all means, shoot up. Just don't expect any pity when the hammer falls.

A few of the drugs I consider "not worth it":
Crack cocaine
Amphetamines (meth & MDMA)
Opiates
Nicotine

Originally Posted by Janszoon

People can, and do, make this exact same argument about alcohol. The problem with it is that it's built on a foundation of hyperbole.

I'm not suggesting that anything that poses health risks is stupid. But at some point you really need to consider whether the risks are worth the benefits of the drug.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I'm not suggesting that anything that poses health risks is stupid. But at some point you really need to consider whether the risks are worth the benefits of the drug.

And I'm suggesting that there's a large amount of hyperbole out there concerning how risky opiates really are compared to other things, such as alcohol.

[Harry]

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I didn't say sobriety was an index of intelligence, idiocy has very few limitations.

The bad rap stems from the ostensible fact that the majority of regular opiate users wind up addicted and a slave to the drug of their choice. Even if you manage to kick the habit, the index of relapse is so high that rehab clinics may see the same patient three, four times. Not to mention the glaring health consequences that exist just from regular use, I don't need to expound upon those, do I?

I have no problem with people using whatever drugs they choose. I do have a problem with people trying to justify those piss-poor decisions with corrupt logic. If getting high is really worth the risks you acknowledge exist, by all means, shoot up. Just don't expect any pity when the hammer falls.

A few of the drugs I consider "not worth it":
Crack cocaine
Amphetamines (meth & MDMA)
Opiates
Nicotine



I'm not suggesting that anything that poses health risks is stupid. But at some point you really need to consider whether the risks are worth the benefits of the drug.

There's stupid PEOPLE vs stupid things, though. You're talking about folks you'd find at 03:00, laying in their bed by themselves with a wrap on their arm attempting to chase that first high they got ages ago... there's a difference between that and recreational use. Not everyone gets wrapped up in that. It's a risk, I suppose, that you will, but everything is a risk. Pulling your car out of the car park every day is a risk you'll get into an accident. And there's the arsehole who drives top speed and crashed into a brick wall, while there's the others who keep it low, and don't do barmy things. It's the way everything is in life, and I believe I CAN justify it, cos I am not the drug, and it ain't bigger than me.


Alright, to each his own-- but in respects to nicotine, that doesn't even get to ya till you're of a fine age... and we're all ganna die anyways. I know that aint a good reason to smoke, but if I die at 70 VS 85... Don't think I'd be missing too much.

[debaserr]

what? you don't mind losing 15 years?????

[Harry]

Originally Posted by trace87

what? you don't mind losing 15 years?????

Wot is there to do when crippled and in bed all day? People don't usually age gracefully, regardless of wot they've done in the past. At least I wouldn't have to guess which one of the 120934 geriatric diseases would be the one to kill me.

[Engine]

I'm actually looking forward to ages 70 - 85. Nothing to do but whatever the fuck I want. Probably good years to get into heroin.

[crash_override]

Originally Posted by Engine

I'm actually looking forward to ages 70 - 85. Nothing to do but whatever the fuck I want. Probably good years to get into heroin.

I would say like 65-70 are some of the prime years as an old person. Retire, chill out, get medical marijuana... I mean how do you beat that?

It would be interesting to see someone that old get into heroin. It would be weird.

[Scarlett O'Hara]

Who has tried heroin? It has 11 counts on it. That stuff is so addictive. 2.5 million Russians are addicted to it.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Vanilla

Who has tried heroin? It has 11 counts on it. That stuff is so addictive. 2.5 million Russians are addicted to it.

No they aren't. Read my post about this on the previous page.

[Scarlett O'Hara]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

According to the BBC, that's the total number of drug addicts in Russia. It's not just heroin addicts, though they are a large part of the picture. Also, you have to remember that Russia is a huge country. 2.5 million is only 1.8% of their population. I don't have the statistics for rates of drug addiction in other countries but it doesn't seem like 1.8% would be an abnormally high figure for anywhere.

Opps I forgot to read this page. Okay fair call. Still. It's a lot of people.