The way you talk about a mans responsibility to be strong "when they have to be" and "when others cant" does however suggest that what you mean is when women cant, and so paints women as weak

Do women cry more than men? Potentially. If so, does that make women weaker, or is it not just as probable that women feel it is more socially acceptable to do so without fear of being judged for it due to the stigma attached to it that it somehow makes you more of a man to hide your true feelings.

what i was trying to say was that im not here to troll and bash women because thats not my main focus. that main focus is the thought that men need to hold themselves to a high standard and be capable of being strong.

women are more emotional than men, and men are more rational though

What are you basing this on though? If you think women are more emotional than men then why? If you're basing it on all your belief that women cry more than men, then my point is you may be missing the real point being made here.

Just because women cry more (if they do) doesnt necessarily mean they are more emotional. It could just mean they dont feel the need to hide their emotions. I'm a man, and I will even admit that over the last few years I have started to bottle my emotions up more than I used to, and to be honest I'm starting to really hate the fact I do that. My emotions are still there, but for some reason I choose to try very hard not to show them to anyone.

im basing it on studies and what i thought was common sense. men = more rational, women = more emotional. and im defining emotional fragility as crying. and regardless of why women cry (probably biological and also social reasons) they are still more likely to cry which is really the only point that matters. so if a women is more lkely to cry (which i consider a showing of weakness) then her man should be strong and not cry

This is all I needed.

I also don't see how, in that scenario, the man not crying changes a damn thing but OK.

ok great


because i think a man should be a sign of strength as a role in their families and a father who appears fearless and a father who isn't going to cry in front of people when things get tough provides comfort

You've got to be so careful with that. I used to bottle up my emotions and trauma too and ended up with depression. I'm a lot more open now and feel comfortable talking to my friends and family about what is going on in my life. If I wasn't diagnosed with depression I might have become suicidal. I've had those thoughts many times but have got through every single thing I've had thrown at me, climbed the mountain of issues and stress.

I actually think I've read somewhere that crying can actually make you feel better after. But I'm not sure it does because I get into fits of crying for days and days through stress and anxiety. I have a lot going on in my life and in my families life which has really effected me emotionally but also spiritually and physically too with headaches, breathing problems/panic attacks and anxiety.

I think the point of what I'm getting at is that people are very complex as a species and I don't think you can really say that women cry more than men because there is so many differences about what's driving the tears. It's a bit sexist to fit a woman into the weak, fragile basket and the men being the strong, the unemotional basket.

I don't know if women cry more than men. It does seem that way, it feels as though that is probably true, and there may well be some studies somewhere to prove that is the case. I've never looked, mainly because I don't care to.

I'm more concerned with why that would be, if it is indeed the case, and I don't think you can overlook the fact that crying is an impulsive, emotional response, regardless of gender, and that a lot of men seem to try their hardest to hide that side of themselves. It probably isn't even an area you can accurately conduct any kind of study, because a lot of men will and do outright lie about their tendencies to cry and feel it makes them more manly to appear to be emotionless in that regard.

I may bottle my emotions up to a degree these days, and I'm not happy about it. I'm not even really sure why I do it. I rarely used to. It isn't always a deliberate attempt on my part to do this, it just seems to be more of who I have become now. I'm not a robot or anything, and I still don't feel the need to do it to make some inaccurate, bull**** "macho" point about who I am or who I aspire to be, I just don't cry a lot and certainly a lot, lot less than I used to.

Yeah, I can relate to that. I went through a stage in the past of bottling up my emotions as well. It's a really bad thing for me to do because after awhile I end up just exploding and everything comes out at once. The rage of emotion ends up being directed towards people that have no idea what's going on or why I'm acting the way I am to them.

I haven't cried in twenty five years when my grandfather passed away. I keep everything in not because i want to appear strong but I just don't feel comfortable discussing anything that would make someone else uncomfortable. I'm quite content though and haven't been unhappy a day in my life.