MHDTV

Hell was made up by the Catholic Church. Anyway, you're essentially saying you can't prove you're point. To me God is like String Theory. We can't prove he exists and we can't prove he doesn't.

Inuzuka Skysword

And the Bible says that like I stated above. It would not be true faith if we had a definite reason he was real.


OOT: Man this conversation is reminding me of the Matrix and its epic allegoricalness.

MHDTV

Well that was kind of redundant...Anyway you still haven't talked about my original point about the Bible being warped beyond recognition by human interpretation.

Inuzuka Skysword

Yes I did. It is impossible to consider it a fact because we do not have 100% proof that humans tainted the Bible.


It is really all about personal choice, which is what it comes down to.

MHDTV

We have 99.999% proof though. Honestly, are you saying the Bible was never changed in one the milllions of translations it been through?

Inuzuka Skysword

I can't believe I am about to say this, but it is the best explanation I can give atm so bear with me lol.

Remember in the first Matrix where I think Neo asks Morpheus if the Oracle knows everything and Morpheus replies, "She would say she knows enough." Well it is kind of the same way here. There may have been some mistranslated parts, but the things that really matter are not going to be mistranslated.

I honestly don't know why people only talk about the Bible this way though. We have more manuscripts of the Bible then any other document in the history of the world, and nothing doesn't even come close. Not to mention the fact that no one ever says anything about Plato's writings who could have been mistranslated or even the Koran. Isn't there a double standard somewhere?

MHDTV

That's because Plato is science and has been proved. Don't you think it's kind of ridiculous to say "well, all the important parts survived". Don't you think that some self-serving bastard would have changed something important at one point?

anticipation

The bible is based off the teachings and parables preached by Jesus Christ. No one is suggesting that it is God's word, mainly due to the fact that almost all of it is up to an individual's interperetation. The stories and fables accounted in the Bible are moral messages intended to influence people to live a good life. What does it matter that God doesn't come down and tell you these things?

and not only is this completely incorrect, it has little to do with the matter at hand. Hell is not a creation of the Catholic Church, the idea has existed for hundreds of years before Catholicism was even conceived. You're a Jew, yet you know nothing of the portrayal of "Gehenna" as a final resting place for the wicked? Previous terms for what is comomonly known today as "hell" are the Greek Hades, Buddhist Naraka, and the Islamic Jahannam. Now, are you going to tell me that all of those religions based their ideas of Hell off of the Catholic Church?

MHDTV

The Buddhists didn't belive in a final resting place fot the dead. I'm not sure about Islam, but Hades Kingdom was very different from the Christian concept of Hell. Anyway, what you said has little to do with my point, that Hell wasn't present in the Christian Religion until the Church started using it as a political tool.

sleepy jack

Yeah I forgot about Adam, Jesus and Eve.

Are you serious? I hear the bible is God's word all the time, just go to any church and ask what it is and they'll probably say God's word. I don't think its God's word because alot of it our stories that are in relation to him to focus on other people, but plenty of people still suggest and say it is.

The entire basis of the christian religion is they were saved because jesus died for their sins and that enabled them to go to heaven, thats not just some pick me up to influence people to lead a good life or guilt them into it. A christian would have to have complete faith in that and believe its more than just a 'moral message.' Before you talk about the bible, maybe you should get your shit straight.

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