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Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 · 07-05-2007, 12:23 AM

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Rule by fear of force? What do you propose a dictatorship? Where courtrooms have the firing squad next to the jury and instead of the ring of a gavel we have a fusillade at the end? Whos going to lead, the "president"? But obviously hes going to be special, even if he say, shoots someone in the face he won't get punished, he'd never have to sometimes stand naked he'd be better he'd be the one to decide who gets killed, thrown to the wolves, and or tortured right?

A dictatorship CAN work if we have the right dictator; someone who is in power not for the sake of being in power, but for doing what's needed to strengthen society. If there is such a person, and he/she can rule with an iron fist without letting any prejudice thought cloud their judgment and causing more harm than good, then yes. I propose a dictatorship.

Yeah but back to the vase, what if you accidentally knock it over? Should you have to pay? Lets say you're hunting and you accidentally shoot someone, you didn't see them but you hit them should you be killed for something you didn't want to have done? No of course not, its not the action its the motive, right? He probably shouldn't get as much jail time as a serial killer, but still putting that murder on the same level as stabbing someone to death? Thats not right.

Ok, accidents I would say can be forgiven because, as I said, it's the reason for such actions that make them good or bad. Accidents are neither good nor bad, and given the situation, I would say some punishment is in order. Just not as severe.

You should be punished for being careless. We already have people who carelessly (but unintentionally) kill people. We call it Manslaughter, I do believe. If you are driving a car, and are talking on a cell phone or whatever, and fail to see some pedestrian still crossing the road, and you hit that person, you'd probably get your license taken away at least. I know that you can get jail time for hitting construction workers and fined.

Nonetheless, we do punish people for accidents. How would you accidently knock over a vase? By not looking where you're going. How would you accidently shoot someone? By, for one, pointing your gun at someone, and/or not making sure that he/she wasn't the one you wanted to hit. Carelessness is already punished today. We just don't send people to death row for it. And contrary to what you're probably thinking, I don't invision the complete genocide of all people stupid enough to make an "OOPSIE!"

As the unfan said earlier neither. There is no way a society can progress if were not after the best and most fair decision for every person, were just out for payback.

Payback is done by people who have no power, people who don't have the right to take justice in their own hands.

Its weak because its not a killing machine? It takes strength to be gentle and kind.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing. As long as it's killing the right people, I see nothing wrong with having one.

That is the single most disgusting and ignorant thing I have ever read. Do we start creating regimes, rules and take away freedom? Lets just piddle away our time trying to make this nation as fascist as possible otherwise we'd all be going to hell right? "What? you're a homosexual? Fetch the rope! We can't tolerate that." People like you make me sad for america.

Where did I say I believed in a system where people could be killed for being ***/black/jewish/etc.? That wouldn't be fair. In your eyes, fascism is evil and corrupt. So if we've followed YOUR guidelines, then America is as corrupt as any other fascist nation. More corrupt than the system I (and I use this word lightly) dream of having. We have affirmative action, we have bans on *** marriage and smoking in public places being passed and debated. We have politicians sucking up to the public in order to get more votes. They don't care about us. They just want our support so they can earn more money doing **** for our country that weakens us even further. They might as well just come to your house, give you a blow job, then piss on your yard.

Our system of government is more corrupt than anything I'm talking about. They just don't flaunt it.

And one final note; I've been talking about a perfect dictatorship. What do I think a perfect dictatorship is; One person has all the power, but the person knows how to use that power to benefit society and not themselves.

A perfect dictatorship would not tolerate any insubordination; no open group protest against ****. Nothing pisses me off more than to see a bunch of people rallied together protesting against some crappy shampoo that's animal tested, or some protest against some celebrity's prison sentence. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I think it's stupid and pointless to rally together and disrupt the peace when you can just very well talk about it in a small group of people. Unless it's actually for a good cause that benefits humanity (civil rights movement, for example), I think these guys should shut their ****ing traps.

MY perfect dictatorship wouldn't oppress forms of expression that are seen as obscene or vile. If America is so keen on being free, why allow censorship? I think 3 midgets in a threesome with a fat chick while pissing on each other is just as much a valid form of expression as something more tasteful like erotica. If ya don't like it, don't listen to/look at/participate in it.

This is all I have gotten off the top of my head at the moment. I'm really tired, so I'll end with this; I'm not arrogant enough to believe that such a dictatorship will exist or even CAN exist because, as I said, it would need a person who is pretty much emotionally unattached to things and is focused on strengthening civilization. Have you met anyone who had no feelings of greed or ambition, or didn't have any unselfish feelings? If you have, then cheers to you. I haven't. Humans are disgusting, selfish, and greedy beings. We have the power to become better INDIVIDUALLY. As a group, there are too many limits we can't break. We can't cooperate and all coexist in a democracy because there's always some ******* who doesn't want what everyone else wants and we have to waste time compromising. We can't put one person in charge because that person is just going to be as selfish and ambitious as the rest of us, except that our word will not matter.

I guess I'm kind of contradicting myself because I've been preaching all this pro-dictator stuff and now I'm here showing how flawed it is. So just to clear things up;

This is what I believe SHOULD happen, not what I believe CAN happens and WILL happen. It's merely a vision. Kind of like how I want to win the lottery. I believe it should happen, but ****, it ain't.

And one thing, I extended you the courtesy of not calling you ignorant or close-minded. If you would, do the same for me. Otherwise, I'll feel like I'm talking to some liberal-esque teenager with disillusions of a "happy and caring" society, rather than a person with a strong argument with valid points.

sleepy jack · 07-05-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

A dictatorship CAN work if we have the right dictator; someone who is in power not for the sake of being in power, but for doing what's needed to strengthen society. If there is such a person, and he/she can rule with an iron fist without letting any prejudice thought cloud their judgment and causing more harm than good, then yes. I propose a dictatorship.

Reality check, there is no one like that unless you ask your jesus to come down and dictate and govern it by the bibles laws where we turn homosexuals to salt and put woman below man, that'd be fantastic. There is no person that wouldn't be oppressive and disconnected, so you can bash me for stupid fantasies of a 'happy and caring' goverment all you want, but at least mine are don't revolve around a non-existent and never going to exist person.

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

Ok, accidents I would say can be forgiven because, as I said, it's the reason for such actions that make them good or bad. Accidents are neither good nor bad, and given the situation, I would say some punishment is in order. Just not as severe.

Yeah but exactly how bad of a crime do you have to commit to be put to death? And what are you going to do if you kill the wrong person, a simple oops! Better luck next time? I think the people for responsible for the hanging of the innocent man should be punished, after all they killed someone who didn't deserve it right? Society as a neverending cycle of death and punishment would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

You should be punished for being careless. We already have people who carelessly (but unintentionally) kill people. We call it Manslaughter, I do believe. If you are driving a car, and are talking on a cell phone or whatever, and fail to see some pedestrian still crossing the road, and you hit that person, you'd probably get your license taken away at least. I know that you can get jail time for hitting construction workers and fined.

Nonetheless, we do punish people for accidents. How would you accidently knock over a vase? By not looking where you're going. How would you accidently shoot someone? By, for one, pointing your gun at someone, and/or not making sure that he/she wasn't the one you wanted to hit. Carelessness is already punished today. We just don't send people to death row for it. And contrary to what you're probably thinking, I don't invision the complete genocide of all people stupid enough to make an "OOPSIE!"[/QUOTE]

If you killed someone because you weren't paying attention you should just get your license taken away? That seems to be getting off lightly, thats completely carelessness and accidentally shooting someone, would not be pointing your gun at someone, you'd have to be blind or cheney to do that. I meant hunting, in the woods, in camo you aim for a deer or something you miss and you nail someone you had no idea was there that blended in perfectly with there surroundings, honestly would you place that next to careless driving? I sure as hell wouldn't.

As the unfan said earlier neither. There is no way a society can progress if were not after the best and most fair decision for every person, were just out for payback.

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

Payback is done by people who have no power, people who don't have the right to take justice in their own hands.

That makes no sense, its only not payback because you have power? You have any idea how ridiculous that it is? I re-quote Ghandi, "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." since you obviously didn't grasp that the first time, i'll explain it. If you keep going around killing someone for killing someone, are you really showing your people that that won't be tolerated? No, you're showing them its okay to kill if someone does you wrong.

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

You make it sound like it's a bad thing. As long as it's killing the right people, I see nothing wrong with having one.

Yeah, I really don't know what to say that, I think it speaks for itself.

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Where did I say I believed in a system where people could be killed for being ***/black/jewish/etc.? That wouldn't be fair. In your eyes, fascism is evil and corrupt. So if we've followed YOUR guidelines, then America is as corrupt as any other fascist nation. More corrupt than the system I (and I use this word lightly) dream of having. We have affirmative action, we have bans on *** marriage and smoking in public places being passed and debated. We have politicians sucking up to the public in order to get more votes. They don't care about us. They just want our support so they can earn more money doing **** for our country that weakens us even further. They might as well just come to your house, give you a blow job, then piss on your yard.

Our system of government is more corrupt than anything I'm talking about. They just don't flaunt it.

Yeah were in that state because of a lack of tolerance, OH WAIT!

Also, I don't understand how if we follow my guidelines for a goverment it will be corrupt, the only opinion in here i've been super strong about is how wrong and counter-productive the death penalty is.

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And one final note; I've been talking about a perfect dictatorship. What do I think a perfect dictatorship is; One person has all the power, but the person knows how to use that power to benefit society and not themselves.

A perfect dictatorship would not tolerate any insubordination; no open group protest against ****. Nothing pisses me off more than to see a bunch of people rallied together protesting against some crappy shampoo that's animal tested, or some protest against some celebrity's prison sentence. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I think it's stupid and pointless to rally together and disrupt the peace when you can just very well talk about it in a small group of people. Unless it's actually for a good cause that benefits humanity (civil rights movement, for example), I think these guys should shut their ****ing traps.

MY perfect dictatorship wouldn't oppress forms of expression that are seen as obscene or vile. If America is so keen on being free, why allow censorship? I think 3 midgets in a threesome with a fat chick while pissing on each other is just as much a valid form of expression as something more tasteful like erotica. If ya don't like it, don't listen to/look at/participate in it.

This is all I have gotten off the top of my head at the moment. I'm really tired, so I'll end with this; I'm not arrogant enough to believe that such a dictatorship will exist or even CAN exist because, as I said, it would need a person who is pretty much emotionally unattached to things and is focused on strengthening civilization. Have you met anyone who had no feelings of greed or ambition, or didn't have any unselfish feelings? If you have, then cheers to you. I haven't. Humans are disgusting, selfish, and greedy beings. We have the power to become better INDIVIDUALLY. As a group, there are too many limits we can't break. We can't cooperate and all coexist in a democracy because there's always some ******* who doesn't want what everyone else wants and we have to waste time compromising. We can't put one person in charge because that person is just going to be as selfish and ambitious as the rest of us, except that our word will not matter.

I guess I'm kind of contradicting myself because I've been preaching all this pro-dictator stuff and now I'm here showing how flawed it is. So just to clear things up;

This is what I believe SHOULD happen, not what I believe CAN happens and WILL happen. It's merely a vision. Kind of like how I want to win the lottery. I believe it should happen, but ****, it ain't.

And one thing, I extended you the courtesy of not calling you ignorant or close-minded. If you would, do the same for me. Otherwise, I'll feel like I'm talking to some liberal-esque teenager with disillusions of a "happy and caring" society, rather than a person with a strong argument with valid points.

I don't think I need to reply to that, the fact you don't think a happy and caring society is necessary says enough.

And for the record, i'm so tired of liberal being used as an insult, its not. I have one question though, how weren't my points strong or valid? Your points are full of contradictions and so delusional and fantasy driven I don't understand how you could even consider them valid. You've proved me right several times in those same contradictions. Tolerance isn't going to be the death of a country, if anything it will save it.

drainxthexframe · 07-05-2007, 01:37 AM

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If ya don't like it, don't listen to/look at/participate in it.

i think you just proved ethan's fucking point, genius.

This is what I believe SHOULD happen, not what I believe CAN happens and WILL happen. It's merely a vision. Kind of like how I want to win the lottery. I believe it should happen, but ****, it ain't.

And one thing, I extended you the courtesy of not calling you ignorant or close-minded. If you would, do the same for me. Otherwise, I'll feel like I'm talking to some liberal-esque teenager with disillusions of a "happy and caring" society, rather than a person with a strong argument with valid points.

calling him close-minded when all you say "SHOULD" be right is the loss of freedom to a dictatorship with a "nice, friendly" leader is like, the most hypocritically retarded thing i have ever read. saying that shit is just as close-minded. and liberal-esque? fuck, man... you know that's not a word. the context of the suffix "esque" is completely unecessary and you know it... or at least you would if you were educated. and the so-called "liberal-esque-ness" of his ideal "happy and caring" society is way closer to what american's like to call "freedom" than your all-for-one state of mind. don't tell me that you're unamerican on this fine, INDEPENDENCE DAY... what would our founding fathers (WHO DIED FOR YOUR NON-DICTATORSHIP WAY OF LIFE) say about that? they'd call you a commie and lynch you. that's what. now, if you think hitler had strong, valid points to rage his cosmetic war, or if you think that saddam had every right to gas his people to bring iraq justice.. then by all means, overthrow the government and start your fucking revolution.

read the bold parts.

OH AND BY THE WAY. ITS OUR COUNTRY'S INTOLERANCE THAT BRINGS UPON STAGNATION.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 · 07-05-2007, 01:44 AM

I don't know why I bother. You people are just going to twist my words to make me sound like some blood thirsty neo-nazi ****-head.

drainxthexframe · 07-05-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

I don't know why I bother. You people are just going to twist my words to make me sound like some blood thirsty neo-nazi ****-head.

the part you don't understand is... THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE.

sleepy jack · 07-05-2007, 01:58 AM

Shes right you know, have you been reading what you're posting? "Tolerance will only lead to stagnation.", "Rule by fear of force.", (On courts being turned into a killing machine) "You make it sound like a bad thing", etc.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 · 07-05-2007, 01:24 PM

You're right. What I am saying is pretty evil and unbelievable. I KNOW! Why don't we all pick daisies and put them in each others hair, go hump a few trees, and then sing along in a circle around a bon fire songs about peace, love, and acceptance. We'll pass a bong pipe around too just to make things interesting! That'd be ****ing awesome! Granted, true peace is a lie since humans are incapable of living without conflict, but what the hell. We'll be blazed off our asses to even care.

drainxthexframe · 07-05-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

You're right. What I am saying is pretty evil and unbelievable. I KNOW! Why don't we all pick daisies and put them in each others hair, go hump a few trees, and then sing along in a circle around a bon fire songs about peace, love, and acceptance. We'll pass a bong pipe around too just to make things interesting! That'd be ****ing awesome! Granted, true peace is a lie since humans are incapable of living without conflict, but what the hell. We'll be blazed off our asses to even care.

no dude, that's fucking gay. not everyone who wants peace through UNITY is a fairy. get over it.

sleepy jack · 07-05-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

You're right. What I am saying is pretty evil and unbelievable. I KNOW! Why don't we all pick daisies and put them in each others hair, go hump a few trees, and then sing along in a circle around a bon fire songs about peace, love, and acceptance. We'll pass a bong pipe around too just to make things interesting! That'd be ****ing awesome! Granted, true peace is a lie since humans are incapable of living without conflict, but what the hell. We'll be blazed off our asses to even care.

You're acting like a stereotypical war loving hippie hating bigot, I bet you masturbated to those pictures of those tortured iraqi prisoners.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 · 07-05-2007, 08:11 PM

You know what gets me off! Good for you!

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