so umm...
 

with the "Musicbanter Rules" thread, when were you planning on updating it? I mean we've got new moderators and stuff. Not to be mean, but I think the new people would like to know who to go to.
That's pretty much it ;)

If your suicidal...see Crowquill.
If you need buttfucking...see adidasss.
For racial matters...see the Big3.
For annoying and major problems...see matious.
For a quick fix...PTS is yer man.
If you want banning...see Urban or I.
For the full IP ban...see Yak.

I'll update them the day that people can be bothered to follow the ones that are already up there.

I think it's a pretty poor state of affairs if the mods cannot work together. Of course you are not going to agree on anything, but the vibe I get from here is that you don't like each other much-WTF? We posters get conflicting views on posting etiquette, which is a damn shame, because as a whole; this is a good site and there seems to be a fair few knowledgeable amount of people BUT a moderator is exactly that; impartial, knowledgeable, practical and a mediator between conflicting points of view.

I am a member of a few forums (music and films are my love), and I have been surprised by some of the vitriol directed at each other in here. Of course we all think we all know better than the other when it comes to our favourite subject, but we can always learn something new every day.

Judging by some of the infantile arguments between some of the mods iv'e read..sh[i]t..put me forward. i'd ban half of you as soon as look at you!

please mods-show an aptitude for your role.

^ omfg.







treated i guess?

I guess Johnny u like what I'm saying?

I don't think any of the mods hate eachother

i hate
that douchehole
ethan =]]]]

ethan get the **** outta my forum >:[

stfu n00b

That is not an image that comes across Crow I'm afraid. Of course there are some that are less active, but there is a huge amount of angst on this site...why?

Music should bring people together. It should educate, entertain,enlighten and inform.

Differing points of view? Of course. The world would be boring if we liked the same stuff, but u are promoting a music appreciation website. An incresingly rare commodity in these times of populism.

What exactly is the website trying to achieve? If the people running it are in constant conflict, then those young and impressionable will look elsewhere to find supporters of their music.

I am 35 and maybe too old for this site (?), but I have been longing for a music site that emcompasses a wide range of music and views, yet still remains off the mainstream. If the people that run it cannot see that then I despair for the state of music.

We should galvanise against the system, no matter what genre of music you like. After all, that is how you found this website?

I don't want agreement for every band (how boring would that be?), but let's take a more mature approach to this site. It's avery good site-let's not lose it's original aim.

i think jackhammer is right, but i think some-what argumentative discussions should be welcomed.

it seems like most of the angst comes from some of the senior members vs the emo posters. As in, arguing about whether or not its credible music or just a scene.

Also, a lot of it is sarcastic and may not be as serious as your taking it for.

See the mods try and promote healthy discussion for the most part, but what good does that do if the members don't? I get a bit tired of everything being our fault when everyone should be helping not just us.

The mod's do NOT create healthy discussion. I am not knocking the integrity of each individual mod, but this whole forum seems to descend into some battlefield. Why?My post is trying to help surely? Make me a mod for gods sake-I will clean up lol.

mabey you can list some idea's on how to help us, that would actually be more productive..

mabey list some examples of where your noticing these "battles" taking place :)

gosh all i was trying to do was just SEE if the rules would change.
btw,

ethan's a n00b but matious is a homo

See, I see that as knocking the integrity of us and frankly it pisses me off since we work hard and then get criticized by some noob whos been registered a month and told we don't create healthy discussions. I hold my tongue plenty and go out of my way to work my ass off making threads and spend a bunch of time organizing these polls, getting people into new bands, and making this forum a better place and do I ever get any thanks? No not really. You don't contribute nearly as much as I do, yet you treat it like i'm some sort of disease on the board, I find that pretty goddamn insulting.

oi, calm down crowquill, i dont think his intentions are just to flame.

Hes already stated its a good forum, and by saying those things you just mentioned..well...you just proved his point

Of course CROW youre intentions are honourable and you, yourself have been very mature considering your young age,and the fact that you are one of the few moderators to reply to this thread deserves a lot of credit.

Unlike virtually every other forum I have come across, this has the potential to be one of the greatest because it's acceptance is not all inclusive. However there are certain members that need ringing in, and this isn't being done. Opinion is all well and good, but some of the responses here seem to be just a case of flaming.

Why? we all may like different bands and will banter on those bands particular merits-that's what music is. That is what popular opinion is. Do U have to agree? no, of course not, but some of the personal tirades on this site have forced a lot of potential good posters here to look else where.

Create constructive criticism by all means, but dont exclude others-some of us do know what we are talking about.

i will continue later-ineed some sleep !

And a space bar apparently...bah-zing!

No really though. Musicbanter stays ahead of the pack because we're a family. And if you stay here long enough, for better or worse, you're family. We fight to the death, but defend each other in every other situation.

I would like to take this time to say that I am loved the boards over, except for the few who hate me because I'm beautiful and happen to be an intellectual super power. My mind has nukes....

If you want me to go in here, i guess I'd like at least one example of what you meant, ideally 3 to 5. it may just be an inside joke that didn't come across correctly.

@jackhammer.

The moderators here are of all ages, come from different cultures and have different tastes in music.
A few of us share some similarities, but we are no different from the average poster when it comes to opinions.
It's true we don't always see eye to eye and have been known to thrash out our conflicts, quite strongly, behind the scenes in the mod lounge on occasions.

With the exception of matious, all the mods have been members of MB for 2 years, or more and we have got to know each other quite well, which I think is one of the major factors we freely speak our minds to each other.
I believe this to be a good thing.
The one most important issue we do have in common, is the interest and betterment of MusicBanter.

It's my opinion that the current mod team is the best this site has had over the years and with a bit more arguing and a few more disagreements, the mod team, like the forum, can only improve.

I have to say I'm a little surprised to hear Jackhammer say this. I haven't been a mod for long and I try to visit as much threads as I can, but I honestly haven't seen really venomous discussions lately, certainly not ones that needed intervening (am I going numb?). So I have to agree with big3 here and ask for specific examples, through PM if you want. I think we all want to better this place, but we'll also need help from regular users, show us what we're doing wrong...

Sorry if I'm just butting my way into this discussion, but I've got a few things to say about this.

Where do you get the impression that we cannot work together?

First off, if the mod team didn't argue...this place would be a dictatorship. Conflicting opinions are what "make the world go 'round" so to speak. Infantile? Please....point this out... I've been a moderator here for longer than the majority of the current team, and, as right-track said, this is probably the best team so far, at least since I have been a mod. (I don't, of course, mean any disrespect to any of my former colleagues)

I have fought with almost every member of the mod team. Adidasss was extremely unhappy with the fact that I became a moderator when I did. Do I hold the things he said then against him? No. I have bickered numerous times with Big3 (before the two of us were mods), and our arguments always end up in a compromise for the better. Just recently I got in an argument with Crowquill over an issue on which we had opinions that were nothing short of polar opposites. Does it affect my ability to work with him? No. Why? Because through argument, we get to know each other and how each one of us thinks.

The mods have to argue to stay on the same page. We have to argue our own opinions and discuss them in order for the team to operate uniformly in terms of policies. If you would like to have a mod team where each mod operates totally independently of each other, then by all means let us know.

It isn't the moderators job to CREATE discussion. That's the job of the members.....like you. It's the moderators job to preserve a clean environment for open discussion. However, that is not an easy job when the members are not willing to contribute to the discussion in a positive manner. The team of moderators cannot be held responsible for the attitudes and actions of the entire community, though it seems as though that's the way you see it. In order for clean, healthy discussion to be held, those who participate in said discussion need to be capable of basic conversational etiquette. They need to be capable, and willing, to contribute more than just some fucking bullshit like "WORST BAND EVER" or "OMG, THEY ROCK!!!". Posts need to be insightful and creative. If people are posting nothing but "THEY SUCK", how is any form of conversation supposed to build off of that? Give opinion, give argument for your opinion, and when someone has a conflicting opinion....let it turn into a civilized discussion....not a ****slinging contest. If you don't like someones taste in music, don't just respond to their posts to tell them that they listen to crappy music...that does nothing but clutter the boards. When someone starts a thread about a band that you don't like....why even bother going INTO the thread, much less posting in it, unless you are willing to give an opinion and back it up with legitimate arguments, not just crap like "BECAUSE THEY SUCK".

Having been a member here for as long or even longer than a large number of the regulars, I've been here through many of the hard times this site has had. We have fewer spammers than we've had in a long time, the forums are becoming more and more active, and we have more people joining daily than we've had in quite a while.

Ultimately, the MEMBERS of the forum are the ones responsible for the "battlefield" that ensues, and they can do far more than the mod team can to change MusicBanter for the better.

I'm not singling out jackhammer alone here. I hope every regular, and every new member reads this post and responds to it, either directly or by trying to better the forums by promoting intelligent discussion.

So I say, members, please show an aptitude for your role as well.

I can see a lot of good points being made here, and maybe I have misread some situations. The major one being that I did'nt know that half of the posters in this thread were moderators! That would account for my misunderstanding as to when things get a little heated I mistook some posters for members NOT moderators. Perhaps something more than your nickname in bold to denote your mod status?

-----In order for clean, healthy discussion to be held, those who participate in said discussion need to be capable of basic conversational etiquette. They need to be capable, and willing, to contribute more than just some ****ing bull**** like "WORST BAND EVER" or "OMG, THEY ROCK!!!". Posts need to be insightful and creative. If people are posting nothing but "THEY SUCK", how is any form of conversation supposed to build off of that? Give opinion, give argument for your opinion, and when someone has a conflicting opinion....let it turn into a civilized discussion....not a ****slinging contest. If you don't like someones taste in music, don't just respond to their posts to tell them that they listen to crappy music...that does nothing but clutter the boards. When someone starts a thread about a band that you don't like....why even bother going INTO the thread, much less posting in it, unless you are willing to give an opinion and back it up with legitimate arguments, not just crap like "BECAUSE THEY SUCK".-----

I have done none of these things and back up my opinions with my reasoning, whether it's valid or not.

If I caused any offence-I apologise. I do think the mod's should warn some on the boards who are being offensive for the sake of it-I wont name names, but I have seen many pointless post's that correspond with your statement above.

Thankyou for your time to read this and am glad to be a part of a community that has showed me some new music already.

Report the posts/users you see, and I think the bold name is really enough and you can always click view forum leaders too.

actually, there was another argument over that in the mod forum not too long ago, relating to general comments like that :)

That'll be the mushie member. That was a real row and a half. :)

There is a lot of work goes on that members don't see.
I'd say a large proportion of the moderating goes on via PM's...asking members to chill a little, along with the odd infraction warning.

jackhammer, you seem like a knowledgeable member and I hope you stick around.

^^^^^^
Thanks for the compliment @ right track, and I will be around a while yet (I can hear the groaning!). Once again thanks for the mods replies and again, apologies from me-now let's talk music!

:crazy:

Since when is Matious a mod?


btw....Sorry to go off topic but I just noticed it in this thread. Being barely here a month or so has like thrown me off balance.

^He's been a mod for about...what? three or four weeks now.

Not sure what you mean matious.
Did you have something else in mind?

This whole threads pretty stupid seeing as MB is easily one of the biggest music forums on the net. It's mods like Jackhammer that make forums unfun. This is why MB is so appealing, all our mods are pretty loose.

Damn. Has my name ever been thrown up in the air when a new mod was being considered? I would be kick-ass.

I'm glad someone pointed that out.
We do try and let things flow.
I always find it surprising by the criticism we get, on the odd occasion we do come down on stuff.

It hasn't. And it probably won't. What makes you think you would be so "kick ass"

that was harsh.

^and......


What? I would honestly like to know why she thinks she would be a good moderator.

I, m not a mod and have posted apologies what's the problem?

^He's saying that if you were a moderator, this place would be far less fun than it is. He is basing this upon the statements that you made at the beginning of the thread.



It doesn't get much easier to understand.