English grammar (indie, genre, American, speakers, quote)

TheBig3 · 05-22-2007, 11:33 PM

Oh no, hyperbole to prove me wrong! whatever will i do? I mean honestly, you're looking like Crowquill in the "Why rap" thread.

If someone writes like that, its a lot different than someone who just can't spell words. English isn't exactly phonetic, and our use of 5+ languages makes it more than a little understandable that people might not spell ridiculous, tsunami, proboscis, or kindergarten correctly every time. We've all used l33t speak, so we're all guilty of the crime you're condemning. The easy and populist argument.

Frances · 05-22-2007, 11:42 PM

Settle down man. if you'd just climb down from that high-chair you'd realize we are not talking about bigger individual words.

sleepy jack · 05-22-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Oh no, hyperbole to prove me wrong! whatever will i do? I mean honestly, you're looking like Crowquill in the "Why rap" thread.

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TheBig3 · 05-23-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Frances

Settle down man. if you'd just climb down from that high-chair you'd realize we are not talking about bigger individual words.

First of all. Settle down is a sure shot sign of a weak argument. People say "settle down" when they are losing an argument. tell me, did I use too many capital letters? Maybe too many exclamation points? Perhaps it was my irate font color?

If you read my argument you'd know that my point in using those words was that none of them are English in origin. Therefore, they way they are pronounced are different and it prevents English from having a phonetically standard way of spelling words. Letters in French don't make the same sounds as German, or Japanese.

Spelling in English isn't something everyone one is going to do perfectly.

Blain · 05-23-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

This topic trouble me so. First off, I don't understand how anyone can go through schooling and not know how to spell properly. How does that happen? Are you people not required to write in school? Are all your classes oral? Do you not read books? I'm speaking from a viewpoint of a foreigner who took English twice a week (yes, that means I was required to speak or read in English only an hour and a half a week) and yet it appears that my grammar is better than 70% of the native English speakers...are you people not embarrassed of this fact? Admittedly, my grammar and spelling are far from perfect, but if I can manage to construct a coherent sentence in a foreign language, how is it that so many native English speakers fail to do the same? Really...I'm curious to know. What are your excuses? How do the rest of you, the (seeming) minority that has a handle on their own language, explain this phenomenon?

EDIT: From reading the thread, I understand your point. Well, People just treat this no differently to msn... There really should be no problem with this.

Merkaba · 05-23-2007, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

First of all. Settle down is a sure shot sign of a weak argument. People say "settle down" when they are losing an argument. tell me, did I use too many capital letters? Maybe too many exclamation points? Perhaps it was my irate font color?

Lol, you rock.

Adidasss; It's just not as embarrassing to the Western world anymore, to spell like complete morons. In 1990 if you spelt like crap, people would call you on it and you'd probably call yourself dumb. In 2007, you're rarely called on it, and if you are, you're excuse is that it's cool, you're modern, and everyone's doing it.

Most people still like to spell properly so as not to come across as complete tossers but the variance is pretty huge compared to 20 years ago, or even 10.

Frances · 05-23-2007, 01:42 AM

[QUOTE=TheBig3KilledMyRainDog;368830]First of all. Settle down is a sure shot sign of a weak argument. People say "settle down" when they are losing an argument.QUOTE]

Really? I didn't know those words were only used together in losing arguments. People also say "settle down" when someone is getting worked up.

adidasss · 05-23-2007, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

I don't know, to answer the OP, I'm often just slapping up posts in between whatever else I'm doing. I'm sure you feel as if I'm making up some **** but I'm not so incredibly focused on what people think of my sloppy posts here, especially since the time I do put in some effort I still get "I'm not sure I get you."

Other times I'm usually so pissed off at some stupid prevailing opinion that I'm writing a mile (lets say 1200 meters) a minute and don't even stop to think about grammar, I just want to slash at an argument.

Believe it or not, I didn't have you in mind when I made this tread. More like people like 6655321. I'm sure that if you took the time to actually read your posts before posting them you could spell as well as the next person.

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Originally Posted by Frances

It's hard to convince yourself you're talking to an intelligent person when they spell worse than your 6 year old nephew who still wets the bed.

Exactly! Although, I'm not so sure that the people who do that actually care if their opinions loose validity simply because they're spelled badly. We're basically talking about complete morons here, which is still rather puzzling because one would think that such people had difficulty finishing their schooling.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Half of you that do spell correctly have very little if anything interesting to say. You chant simple maxims and common mantras that are as conformed as your spelling.

I use to be of the mind that I would give you some sympathies in your complaint, because occasionally its valid, but I find that you're closed minded in most of your views and your failure to compromise is just as ignorant, if not more so that poor grammar.

Spelling can be fixed (just like erroneous opinions might I add), poor intellect and intellectual bankruptcy cannot. You all have your flaws. Taking a righteous stand against someone else's flaw might be bad for business in your internet popularity game. And my use of righteous isn't haphazard, people who continue to have this stance will be referred to, at least by me, as oojayhadists.

I know I crack myself up, but seriously, not since Napoleon have the political insults been that well crafted. I mean come on, thats right up there with "idealouges."

You're fooling yourself if you think that appearance is irrelevant as opposed to content. Many will disregard the latter if it isn't packaged in standardized English.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Oh no, hyperbole to prove me wrong! whatever will i do? I mean honestly, you're looking like Crowquill in the "Why rap" thread.

If someone writes like that, its a lot different than someone who just can't spell words. English isn't exactly phonetic, and our use of 5+ languages makes it more than a little understandable that people might not spell ridiculous, tsunami, proboscis, or kindergarten correctly every time. We've all used l33t speak, so we're all guilty of the crime you're condemning. The easy and populist argument.

I'm not saying everyone should have a vocabulary that equals that of Joyce, but when someone can't write basic thoughts in their own language I start to wonder how that can happen.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

If you read my argument you'd know that my point in using those words was that none of them are English in origin. Therefore, they way they are pronounced are different and it prevents English from having a phonetically standard way of spelling words. Letters in French don't make the same sounds as German, or Japanese.

Spelling in English isn't something everyone one is going to do perfectly.

Weak argument. It's your own language, it's not only your duty to know it, it's a necessity (or at least it should be, but seeing as how most of the people that can't spell worth a damn have gone through a certain period of schooling, it may not actually be necessary to know how to write in English to survive).

swim · 05-23-2007, 06:43 AM

It's not like we chose the language so contrary to itself. We were merely born.

MURDER JUNKIE · 05-23-2007, 01:02 PM

Us Canucks are Natural Born Spellers, once it becomes an Olympic sport we will have at least a chance at a Gold Medal

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