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Old 06-28-2022, 10:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't know what you mean by cope, but you don't think that Alito citing Matthew Hale is evidence that there's a common ideal of a social order being propped up by these people?

As for the Christians then/now thing, yeah. Ok. But I don't know who was arguing that. Maybe I missed it. That seems obvious to me though. That said I live in a pretty Catholic part of the country so maybe I'm inclined to be less shocked.
my problem was that the comment about social order is vague to the point of meaninglessness to me. Yes generally speaking conservatives are more concerned with protecting different hierarchies that exist but that isn't the same as saying issue x is actually motivated by y (in this case abortion and race).

The article you posted basically seems to say Alito was relying heavily on the idea of historical precedent and in doing so cited someone from the past that had all sorts of sexist views. That's not surprising and I don't think that demonstrates much. Especially since I was talking more about the cultural attitude toward it and not the highly autistic legalease bull**** a SC justice will conjure up to defend it.


I do think there's a gender element to the motivation too but it's not about the husband calling the shots in this case. If that were the case abortion would be legal and it would be a man's right to choose.

As for your second paragraph, it seems obvious to me too so that's why I was stating it as the obvious alternative to whatever racial theory. Maybe you did miss the beginning of this conversation but it started with the speculation that it has something to do with increasing birth rates.
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A 10-year-old girl was denied an abortion in Ohio after the Supreme Court ruled last week that it was overturning Roe v. Wade, demonstrating the tangible impacts that the high court’s decision is having on patients seeking access to the medical procedure.

A child abuse doctor in Ohio contacted Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an obstetrician-gynecologist in Indiana, after receiving a 10-year-old patient who was six weeks and three days pregnant, the Indianapolis Star reported.

That patient is now heading west to Indiana given that an abortion ban in Ohio, which prohibits the medical procedure when fetal cardiac activity begins, around six weeks, had become effective quickly after the high court issued its decision.
Pretty cool move, Ohio.

I better buy a house fast because there will be people flocking to NJ in droves since we're not out of our f*cking minds.
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Old 07-02-2022, 06:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pretty cool move, Ohio.

I better buy a house fast because there will be people flocking to NJ in droves since we're not out of our f*cking minds.
ya pal that's gonna happen
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people must be punished for making a mistake and women may not have sex freely
Sorry, but I’m confused by the above - what are you saying?
Maybe you meant ‘People should not be punished for making a mistake and women should be allowed to have sex freely’ ?
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Sorry, but I’m confused by the above - what are you saying?
Maybe you meant ‘People should not be punished for making a mistake and women should be allowed to have sex freely’ ?
I think he was speaking in a pro-lifer voice, as in, this is what they think or want to happen. Maybe.
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think being anti-choice is punitive and sexist

people must be punished for making a mistake and women may not have sex freely

I'm not following the birth rates argument

next they'll come for contraceptives
I'm not sure how this is a response to anything I said tbh but I always appreciate being quoted.

I don't disagree with you though I am in favor of abortion... I think the magical ability to undo a life altering mistake through the wonders of modern medicine is worth more than an infinite number of dead fetuses.... But basically where you come down is dependant on the value you put on the fetus in the first place
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I imagine they'll be coming to Maryland too, especially if Dr. Oz becomes governor of PA.
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He's running for Senate and hopefully Fetterman hands him his nuts.
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I like Fetterman. I hope he kicks Oz' butt.
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It's the definition of irony that John Fetterman looks like a f*cking caveman but he's smarter and more mentally evolved than 99% of American politicians at the moment.

I love him with all my heart and I hope he clubs Oz like a baby seal.
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