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TheUsedToolguy 03-14-2007 09:27 PM

the nice thread
 
I actually like all of you, even though I can be a real b*tch sometimes. You're all pretty cool with me, because obviously not everyone's always going to like each other. Screw all that 'get in where you fit in' crap. Let's just do what we do, baby!

Ensemble 03-14-2007 11:02 PM

Absolutly. I feel the same way. Can't we be ourselves without people getting pissed at us? lol

A_Perfect_Sonnet 03-14-2007 11:04 PM

Not when being yourselves brings down our quality of life.

just for kicks 03-15-2007 01:11 AM

people are always gonna piss other people off, cause everyone has different opinions and views. also some people just dont go together, personality clashes. its normal

enemyat_thesix 03-15-2007 01:30 AM

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jkz jkz.

TheUsedToolguy 03-15-2007 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by A_Perfect_Sonnet (Post 349568)
Not when being yourselves brings down our quality of life.

Oh, come on APS, we clearly raise your quality of life, the same way you do us. I used to only want to hang around people that like me, but then I realized I was placing an unrealistic burden on myself. Everywhere I go, there will be people who don't like me. Also, as a wise man once said, 'if you're not uncomfortable, you're not growing.'

TheUsedToolguy 03-15-2007 06:21 AM

Thanks, Spinning, for changing the words in one of my quotes. At first, I was a little bit steamed, but then I saw it from a different perspective. I imagined the courage it would have taken you to do that, while knowing you could have gotten banned for it.:wave:

riseagainstrocks 03-15-2007 06:57 AM

I like Ben. Because he has the same sense of humor as me and odds are we're going to be spening alot of time at JMU together.

The Dave 03-15-2007 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by A_Perfect_Sonnet (Post 349568)
Not when being yourselves brings down our quality of life.

Quite true, I'd rather some people be fake than be themselves; it makes me think that there might be some hope for society.

TheUsedToolguy 03-15-2007 11:37 AM

I love you for making that statement, the same way I would have wanted someone to love me, when I was 17.

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 11:40 AM

^What, anally?

TheUsedToolguy 03-15-2007 11:47 AM

HaHa, good sense of humore DRMO. No, I never did that. I probably thought about it, but never actually it.
I meant that I would want someone to love me, in all my naivety, rather than be totally ostracized.

[MERIT] 03-15-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave (Post 349617)
Quite true, I'd rather some people be fake than be themselves; it makes me think that there might be some hope for society.

This is an extremely idiotic statement. I absolutely cannot stand phony people. So you believe that everyone putting on a faccade gives our society hope?

Ensemble 03-15-2007 12:14 PM

We've got way too many people in society who are FAKE. This world desperatly needs true people.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 12:33 PM

What defines a "true" person?

TheUsedToolguy 03-15-2007 01:17 PM

I believe a true person is someone who is honest, and is themselves. I.E. they don't have to put on a facade to get people to like them, because they don't care if people like them or not. People who desperately want the approval of others are people who don't like themselves. Otherwise, why would they need other's approval so much? So, a true person, is someone who is honest with others, and most importantly honest with themselves. To get back to the point of this thread, it doesn't matter if you are true or not. I would hope everyone would be, but you have plenty of time.

[MERIT] 03-15-2007 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy (Post 349704)
I believe a true person is someone who is honest, and is themselves. I.E. they don't have to put on a facade to get people to like them, because they don't care if people like them or not. People who desperately want the approval of others are people who don't like themselves. Otherwise, why would they need other's approval so much? So, a true person, is someone who is honest with others, and most importantly honest with themselves. To get back to the point of this thread, it doesn't matter if you are true or not. I would hope everyone would be, but you have plenty of time.

This is the best post that I have read in quite some time my friend:clap:

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 03:42 PM

Really? What the hell did it mean then?

I've never seen the word 'fake' justified as a way to describe anybody. In my opinion, the only way somebody could say with confidence that there are fake people in the world would be if that person themselves fitted their own definition of fake.

In my opinion, anybody who calls other people 'fake' regularly should be punched in the face, firmly but fairly, each time they do so. It would be an educational measure.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 349736)
Really? What the hell did it mean then?

I've never seen the word 'fake' justified as a way to describe anybody. In my opinion, the only way somebody could say with confidence that there are fake people in the world would be if that person themselves fitted their own definition of fake.
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Exactly..that was my point when I asked "what defines a fake person" its like trying to define normal..average..odd...

right-track 03-15-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NaNaNer (Post 349700)
What defines a "true" person?

Someone who is true to themselves at the expensive of image.
At least that's my take on it.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 03:46 PM

But thats YOUR definition..mine may be different..and the next guys may be different from mine..so in all reality there is no defining fake...unless your talking about tits.

right-track 03-15-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NaNaNer (Post 349740)
But thats YOUR definition..mine may be different..and the next guys may be different from mine..so in all reality there is no defining fake...unless your talking about tits.

Like fake tits...fake people are only aesthetically pleasing.

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 03:49 PM

I know, it stinks of somebody thinking that they are the moral guardian of the world and that people who express themselves in different ways must not be experiencing 'real emotions' because those emotions come out in a slightly different way.
Quote:

Exactly..that was my point when I asked "what defines a fake person" its like trying to define normal..average..odd...

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by right-track (Post 349743)
Like fake tits...fake people are only aesthetically pleasing.

But how do fake people act?

You can only define what you know..and though you may want to take what other say and do and use it to help define certain things...its not true to your definition.

right-track 03-15-2007 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NaNaNer (Post 349750)
But how do fake people act?

The answer is in the question...fake people act.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:01 PM

I act...I act silly when I want to make someone smile..I act stupid when I want something from men..I act interested at my daily 2 o clock meeting..but I am not fake so people that are fake are not synonymous with those that act.

TheUsedToolguy 03-15-2007 04:02 PM

Would it be highly controversial to suggest that people who lie a lot are fake? Or would it be too controversial to suggest there are a lot of people who lie a lot in society?
If you answered no to both of those, then you would agree there are a lot of fake people in society.

right-track 03-15-2007 04:03 PM

We all act.
I have yet to meet a genuine 'true' person.
To some extent, everyone is a fake.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 349762)
We all act.
I have yet to meet a genuine 'true' person.
To some extent, everyone is a fake.

And that conludes class today folks..

Someone mentioned..they're werent enough.."true" people in this world..and if the theory has been proven we all act...then there must be an element of facade to us all.

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Would it be highly controversial to suggest that people who lie a lot are fake? Or would it be too controversial to suggest there are a lot of people who lie a lot in society?
If you answered no to both of those, then you would agree there are a lot of fake people in society.
People who lie a lot are liars, not fake. Didn't you describe fake previously as being people who act contrary to their inner feelings? That's not the same as a liar. A liar is somebody who (in terms of their own actions) does one thing but claims to have done something else. That's a different matter.

(unless you happen to have designed a perfect lie-detector test and plan on using to to ask people about their inner thoughts)

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 349766)
People who lie a lot are liars, not fake. Didn't you describe fake previously as being people who act contrary to their inner feelings? That's not the same as a liar. A liar is somebody who (in terms of their own actions) does one thing but claims to have done something else. That's a different matter.

(unless you happen to have designed a perfect lie-detector test and plan on using to to ask people about their inner thoughts)


Okay..well..lets say I lied about the way I looked..what I did for a living and my favourite music...okay..am I then "fake" as in not the "real" me?

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NaNaNer (Post 349764)
And that conludes class today folks..

Someone mentioned..they're werent enough.."true" people in this world..and if the theory has been proven we all act...then there must be an element of facade to us all.

No it doesn't!

Is it even realistic to compare different quantities? Actions and feelings are not the same quantity.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 349772)
No it doesn't!

Is it even realistic to compare different quantities? Actions and feelings are not the same quantity.

But does one feed the other..can you have one without the other...

You feel love..you show it..action..

You feel sad..you show it..you cry..action...

Can you act mad without feeling it?

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NaNaNer (Post 349771)
Okay..well..lets say I lied about the way I looked..what I did for a living and my favourite music...okay..am I then "fake" as in not the "real" me?

If you have lied about it at one point then you may be "being fake", but that's different to you actually being a "fake" person overall. In your example you don't define whether it happened once or every time anybody asks you and the two situations are completely different.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 349778)
If you have lied about it at one point then you may be "being fake", but that's different to you actually being a "fake" person overall. In your example you don't define whether it happened once or every time anybody asks you and the two situations are completely different.

It happened once..or twice..or three time...months in between...but it happend consecutively...not just a one time event...

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NaNaNer (Post 349777)
But does one feed the other..can you have one without the other...

You feel love..you show it..action..

You feel sad..you show it..you cry..action...

Can you act mad without feeling it?

But the ways in which such emotions are displayed depend entirely on the individual, their culture, their upbringing. Even if you assume that two people will feel 'love' in the same way, one may respond by smiling gently, one may respond by hugging and kissing, one may respond by singing. And the same actions may be completely unrelated to feeling love without being a cynical way of fooling other people.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-15-2007 04:18 PM

My old English teacher used to give detentions for anyone who used the word nice to describe anything.

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 349781)
But the ways in which such emotions are displayed depend entirely on the individual, their culture, their upbringing. Even if you assume that two people will feel 'love' in the same way, one may respond by smiling gently, one may respond by hugging and kissing, one may respond by singing. And the same actions may be completely unrelated to feeling love without being a cynical way of fooling other people.


True the variables are there...but the basic feelings caused by action doesnt change...that universal,right?

DontRunMeOver 03-15-2007 04:20 PM

Urban, your old English teacher rocked.

NaNaNer, basic feeling caused by action? I don't understand!

NaNaNer 03-15-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver (Post 349787)
Urban, your old English teacher rocked.

NaNaNer, basic feeling caused by action? I don't understand!

Basic human feelings..can cause action.

I am not so much debating..but trying to get a better understanding.


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