Free Will? (Religious, quote)

swim · 02-01-2007, 06:24 PM

So a person consistently placed under bad influences has the capacity to consistently do the right thing?

Sneer · 02-01-2007, 06:27 PM

well lets have an example, many brazilian footballers grow up in the most hellacious of environments, surrounded by poverty and gang culture, yet they dont follow it, they become worldclass sportmen. So, i think yes, everybody has the capacity, its just down to what they want to do, which if im not mistaken, is free will.

swim · 02-01-2007, 06:34 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if many are both untill they get the money that the need to not do it anymore.

What you want depends on what you know. That's why so many billion dollars are spent on advertising.

Sneer · 02-01-2007, 06:41 PM

Advertising is just another external factor that can affect an individuals decision, it doesnt detract away from the fact that people do have the capacity to make their own decisions.

A question, you find a bag of money on the pavement, do you adhere to moral constructs created through the social structure and hand it in to the police,or, do you pick it up and take it for yourself?

swim · 02-01-2007, 06:45 PM

Give it to someone who needs it. Obviously if the person who lost it desperately needed it then they should've taken better care of it. I don't trust police and I don't need it. So I'd take a bum out to lunch and clean him up real nice. Depending on how bunch board him and get him a job as well.

Sneer · 02-01-2007, 06:51 PM

the reason i gave you that 'predicament' is because its a prime example of free will, you decide what you want to do with and you ignore the influence of your social environment by chosing for yourself that you are going to give it to a tramp. same with brazilian footballers, they chose to ignore the environment and go about doing things their own way.

swim · 02-01-2007, 06:54 PM

Not really. I'd say my decision lines up pretty well with influences.

Sneer · 02-01-2007, 07:00 PM

most decent, respectable human beings are bought up with certain moral codes, such as not talking to strangers, saying please/thankyou and handing in what does not belong to you. the fact you have chosen not to adhere to these rules is due to free will, your not forced into making your decision are you.

swim · 02-01-2007, 07:07 PM

From the past couple posts you keep on implying groups rather than individuals. I think that my situation is very unique to itself. Everyone is different because of the sequence of events.

Something has happened to me so that I don't agree with what society does. I didn't come up with it on my own.

Sneer · 02-01-2007, 07:11 PM

i apologise, i study anthropology at university which is very 'group' based, so thats my natural outlook. We're all bought up with similiar unwritten rules is what im getting at. My point is, at the end of the day, you chose what to do with the money, its your own will.

02-01-2007, 06:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
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02-01-2007, 06:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	well lets have an example, many brazilian footballers grow up in the most hellacious of environments, surrounded by poverty and gang culture, yet they dont follow it, they become worldclass sportmen. So, i think yes, everybody has the capacity, its just down to what they want to do, which if im not mistaken, is free will. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

02-01-2007, 06:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	I wouldn't be surprised if many are both untill they get the money that the need to not do it anymore. What you want depends on what you know. That's why so many billion dollars are spent on advertising. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 06:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	Advertising is just another external factor that can affect an individuals decision, it doesnt detract away from the fact that people do have the capacity to make their own decisions. A question, you find a bag of money on the pavement, do you adhere to moral constructs created through the social structure and hand it in to the police,or, do you pick it up and take it for yourself? __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

02-01-2007, 06:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	Give it to someone who needs it. Obviously if the person who lost it desperately needed it then they should've taken better care of it. I don't trust police and I don't need it. So I'd take a bum out to lunch and clean him up real nice. Depending on how bunch board him and get him a job as well. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 06:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	the reason i gave you that 'predicament' is because its a prime example of free will, you decide what you want to do with and you ignore the influence of your social environment by chosing for yourself that you are going to give it to a tramp. same with brazilian footballers, they chose to ignore the environment and go about doing things their own way. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

02-01-2007, 06:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	Not really. I'd say my decision lines up pretty well with influences. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 07:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	most decent, respectable human beings are bought up with certain moral codes, such as not talking to strangers, saying please/thankyou and handing in what does not belong to you. the fact you have chosen not to adhere to these rules is due to free will, your not forced into making your decision are you. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

02-01-2007, 07:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	From the past couple posts you keep on implying groups rather than individuals. I think that my situation is very unique to itself. Everyone is different because of the sequence of events. Something has happened to me so that I don't agree with what society does. I didn't come up with it on my own. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 07:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	i apologise, i study anthropology at university which is very 'group' based, so thats my natural outlook. We're all bought up with similiar unwritten rules is what im getting at. My point is, at the end of the day, you chose what to do with the money, its your own will. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show