Free Will? (country, cds, The Police, Brazilian, quote)

adidasss · 02-01-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

So to extent do you think that environment effects us then?

We could argue the same points for the next couple hours but that's not fun. I rather just know your opinion on specifics.

Yeah of course it does. But that doesn't mean we're compelled to doing something. To be cheesy, you don't have to do anything but breathe and die.

Sneer · 02-01-2007, 06:37 PM

im replying to this without reading prior posts with exception to swims opening statement, Free Will DOES exist, your born with your DNA yes, and thats shapes how you look and your personality to amn extent, but the environment is not something uncontrollable. human beings have strong enough brains to make the decision of how the environment is going to affect them. we make decisions every day, what do you call that?

swim · 02-01-2007, 06:41 PM

We can't choose our environment. You didn't choose how well off your parents were, if they were abusive, if they were supportive, what country, state, city, neighborhood you live in. For the first 18 years of your life you can't help where you are.

Decisions are reactions based on logic, knowledge and morals. You either embrace or neglect.

Merkaba · 02-01-2007, 06:56 PM

You have to make a choice between unknown music A and unknown music B. The discs are blank and identical, the only differing factor is the music on each of them, of which you haven't heard yet.

Who do you pick? Why?

If they're completely identical, theres nothing to influence you on which one to pick, right?

This choice must be down to free will, surely?

Kevorkian Logic · 02-01-2007, 06:58 PM

I ask you a related question. Is our concoious based solely on logic, knowledge and morals?

swim · 02-01-2007, 06:59 PM

There aren't any mental influences because both are equal. There are physcial influences however. I pick the one on the right because I'm right handed and it's easier to pick it up.

Kevorkian Logic · 02-01-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

You have to make a choice between unknown music A and unknown music B. The discs are blank and identical, the only differing factor is the music on each of them, of which you haven't heard yet.

Who do you pick? Why?

If they're completely identical, theres nothing to influence you on which one to pick, right?

This choice must be down to free will, surely?

Kudos bringing music into this topic.

I would honestly choose neither and put on music I know, because not knowing who the band is would drive me up the wall after I listened to either of the blank cds.

Merkaba · 02-01-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

There aren't any mental influences because both are equal. There are physcial influences however. I pick the one on the right because I'm right handed and it's easier to pick it up.

Lol, but you could have used your right hand to pick up the left one also.

swim · 02-01-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevorkian Logic

I ask you a related question. Is our concoious based solely on logic, knowledge and morals?

Basically. Feelings are a reaction. Actions are based on what you know, how you think and what you think is right and wrong. Give or take.

tdoc210 · 02-01-2007, 07:06 PM

www.anus.com is rascist >:[
dont go there

02-01-2007, 06:37 PM	#42 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	im replying to this without reading prior posts with exception to swims opening statement, Free Will DOES exist, your born with your DNA yes, and thats shapes how you look and your personality to amn extent, but the environment is not something uncontrollable. human beings have strong enough brains to make the decision of how the environment is going to affect them. we make decisions every day, what do you call that? __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

02-01-2007, 06:41 PM	#43 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	We can't choose our environment. You didn't choose how well off your parents were, if they were abusive, if they were supportive, what country, state, city, neighborhood you live in. For the first 18 years of your life you can't help where you are. Decisions are reactions based on logic, knowledge and morals. You either embrace or neglect. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 06:56 PM	#44 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	You have to make a choice between unknown music A and unknown music B. The discs are blank and identical, the only differing factor is the music on each of them, of which you haven't heard yet. Who do you pick? Why? If they're completely identical, theres nothing to influence you on which one to pick, right? This choice must be down to free will, surely? __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

02-01-2007, 06:58 PM	#45 (permalink)
Kevorkian Logic Imperfectly Perfect Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,290	I ask you a related question. Is our concoious based solely on logic, knowledge and morals? __________________ "it is only through a limitless accumulation of the imperfect that a certain type of perfection can be attained"

02-01-2007, 06:59 PM	#46 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	There aren't any mental influences because both are equal. There are physcial influences however. I pick the one on the right because I'm right handed and it's easier to pick it up. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 07:06 PM	#50 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	www.anus.com is rascist >:[ dont go there __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.