Free Will? (single, Cobain, quote)

swim · 02-01-2007, 04:57 PM

I don't think that we really choose the apple juice. There's a reason why our hand picks up one or the other. And it is based on everything around us. I hope no one disagrees that taste is pure reaction. You like or dislike something just because. You don't put thought behind. It's good or bad. Maybe you just like one more, maybe ones closer, maybe one has more in it, maybe you're brother likes orange juice and you want to be different, maybe your brother likes apple juice and you want to be just like them. So yea predetermined. But I don't think that the next 50 years of my life is going to be a result of everything that's already happened and that's because of accidents.

swim · 02-01-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

We all have free choice, some people just don't use it.

How would one go about making a decision through free will?

Kevorkian Logic · 02-01-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

You're not talking about free will from a govermental/leadeship point of view, you're thinking mind games. To say that you're already going to drink juice(taking your example) has nothing to do with the mind, as such. It has to do with what the body craves i.e liquid and then whatever is at hand, i.e juice. We all have free choice, some people just don't use it. One of my isses is freedom of speech, which is fine aslong as you dont insult/offend a culteral group. Then thats not freedom of speech, its dictatorship, say what you like *within reason*

The mind is responsible for the craving though. It gets the message across to us that we need a liquid. And haven't you ever heard of an irrational craving for a particular food or liquid. Also, this is not about freedom of speech and ****. I don't particularly care about politics because the arguments regarding an issue always end up turning into a religious argument, and religious arguments get so illogical that there is no point.

Kurt_Cobain · 02-01-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevorkian Logic

The mind is responsible for the craving though. It gets the message across to us that we need a liquid. And haven't you ever heard of an irrational craving for a particular food or liquid.

You're still free not to eat tha food. If we didn't have free will against what our mind wanted, people wouldn't be able to quit smoking.

adidasss · 02-01-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

How would one go about making a decision through free will?

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Originally Posted by adidasss

If we can stop and think about every single of our actions, we can weigh out the choices and decide for or against it.

Kurt_Cobain · 02-01-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

How would one go about making a decision through free will?

Of course you have free will to make a decision.
'Do I turn left or right?'
'Do I want sugar in my coffee?'
Even if you start talking about devine intervension we all have the power to choose.

swim · 02-01-2007, 05:08 PM

People didn't start to quit smoking untill they found out it was bad for their health. That's the thing they're aware of the negative consequence therefore an action is taken. Just like people control what they eat because they don't want to get fat. Society has driven those into our minds and we tak them for granted.

swim · 02-01-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

you're saying use logic and knowledge. Well. Where do those things come from? Everything we've been taught. Everything that we've seen.

adidasss · 02-01-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

People didn't start to quit smoking untill they found out it was bad for their health. That's the thing they're aware of the negative consequence therefore an action is taken.

n Yes, but that person still has a choice and decides for him/herself. I really don't see how you can argue that we have no free will.

Kurt_Cobain · 02-01-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

People didn't start to quit smoking untill they found out it was bad for their health. That's the thing they're aware of the negative consequence therefore an action is taken. Just like people control what they eat because they don't want to get fat. Society has driven those into our minds and we tak them for granted.

But they're not being told to quiet!! For ****s sake, they choose to quit, for the sake of health. People that don't believe in free will make me think of cowards that are afraid to accept the consequences of their actions, purely because it was pre-ordained or controlled by factores of the enviroment.

02-01-2007, 04:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	I don't think that we really choose the apple juice. There's a reason why our hand picks up one or the other. And it is based on everything around us. I hope no one disagrees that taste is pure reaction. You like or dislike something just because. You don't put thought behind. It's good or bad. Maybe you just like one more, maybe ones closer, maybe one has more in it, maybe you're brother likes orange juice and you want to be different, maybe your brother likes apple juice and you want to be just like them. So yea predetermined. But I don't think that the next 50 years of my life is going to be a result of everything that's already happened and that's because of accidents. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-01-2007, 05:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	People didn't start to quit smoking untill they found out it was bad for their health. That's the thing they're aware of the negative consequence therefore an action is taken. Just like people control what they eat because they don't want to get fat. Society has driven those into our minds and we tak them for granted. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/