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Old 01-08-2007, 08:37 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I don't see what the deal is, this is a forum...Oojay's entitled to his beliefs, he doesn't have to like ***s....
thank you. and its not that i dont like them, i disagree with the lifestyle. apparently everyone else but me is entitled to their own opinion as long as its in agreeance with the majority.
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:37 PM   #142 (permalink)
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No commandments, but there are several scriptures that say homosexuality is wrong. And it doesnt need to be written anywhere, it should be implied, atleast to christians and the common sensical.
yeah but its all dogma. Its what men wrote, not anywhere is this argument made with the word of god...

As I understand it: This whole idea is from Leviticus which is the Judean book of laws, which was created once Rome conquered Judea and the Jewish people needed a way to indentify themselves from the other citizen in the empire. BEing rightfully angry and a little against the empire one of the rules was "A man shall not lay down with another man as he would a woman." Thats the line everyone is using to validate this *** = anti-jesus sentiment. The reason that law was created is because the Romans condoned homosexuality within the military to promote on feild brotherhood. The Jews not wanting to join up with an imperialistic empire created this law to punish the romans.

I don't really know why history gets left out all the time. With things like 666 being the mark of the beast, why don't people get told that it was likely that that was aramaic (sp?) for Nero. I don't know, what do I know?
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:39 PM   #143 (permalink)
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you do realize that following HALF of the bible wouldnt do christians much good? not that the old estament is bad, but a christain, unlike a jew, needs the WHOLE bible. try to keep up.
Tr00f, christians are more stupid then jews. They need more explanation and a rule for everything.
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:39 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Tr00f, christians are more stupid then jews. They need more explanation and a rule for everything.
shut up dude.
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:40 PM   #145 (permalink)
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...what does 2 guys fucking have anything to do with you?
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:41 PM   #146 (permalink)
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...what does 2 guys fucking have anything to do with you?
hopefully nothing. Im not the one dragging this sh*t out more.
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:45 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Well I think the hardest idea for the pro-marrige folk to wrap their heads around is why you would care so much. If you are against people sinning then why wouldn't you be anti-gun, or anti-war?

And isn't restricting people a rejection of God's will? I mean a lot of this jusr seems a bit off is all.
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:47 PM   #148 (permalink)
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I think there are more anti-christians on here than homophobes by a long shot, i mean seriously, my mum goes to witchfest every year, she's friends with a fair few famous authors on paganism, druidism etc. i see Marians books all the time in the shops, her friend xena was even a high priestess so being raised knowing that the american god squad every year goes down to witchfest to tell my mother that shes going to burn in hell you'd think if anyone had a beef with Oojay it would be me, but i know plenty of christians who are truly decent people, since when was this place so narrowminded about different peoples beliefs? as far as i've learned best thing to do when there's a clash of religious beliefs is just to not talk about it because your not only guarunteed to upset someone but your garunteed to provoke an arguement, Oojay doesn't agree with the *** lifestyle, my mate Jamo just left for the army...hates ***s, my mate vintage just came out and they get on fine....how the **** it happened i dont know but so long as they both keep their mouth shut about each others opinions on the matter so to respect and spare the other ones feelings all is well.
You're all hypocrites, Oojay's not allowed to have a religeous belief which may clash with the homosexual lifestyle but you'll all sit here and bash away at his religion? ****s sake.
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I guess the want for this to remain aemotional was all for not.
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Old 01-08-2007, 08:49 PM   #150 (permalink)
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thank you. and its not that i dont like them, i disagree with the lifestyle. apparently everyone else but me is entitled to their own opinion as long as its in agreeance with the majority.
If you disagree with a lifestyle, don't live it. It becomes discrimination when you actively motion against THEM being able to live it.

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Its the old testament, with the eye for the basis. Christians live by Christ's words, and to turn the other cheak. We don't want to kill for sin, because its a sin itself. And if you read the whole bible, you'll know what to die means:
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
It means they'll be cast into the lake of fire and not inherit eternal lifee, so it is to die.

Fun fact about that quote: The "if man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death..." bit.

The true translation of the original is very unclear and could be interpreted in many different ways. For example, it could mean that a man cannot sleep with another man if that man is dressed as a woman (thus transexuality is the abomination rather than homosexuality).

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God created man. He gave man freewill. Satan tempted man's freewill into sin, in this case that sin is homosexuality. Dont blame homosexuality on god.
Well, it sort of is Gods fault. I could go into the whole "God gave man the weakness to temptation, and also created Satan with full knowledge of the affects of his actions. The idea of free will requires a balance in human countenance that cannot exist with the presence of a deitic structure." but that would be a whole theological argument over nothing so I'll cut to the chase.

Homosexuality is, in many cases, genetic. As time goes by scientists are getting closer to finding the specific alleles involved and have already located general genetic traits. Also, in natural homosexuals brain patterns are more closely matched to that of the opposite gender - a sign that their sexual preference is biologically determined. And animals are homosexual.

So, God made Satan to tempt us. God gave us free will, so that we can be tempted. God made the genetic structure that made some of us so susceptible to Satans temptation (or, to the rationally thinking person, they were born ***). So yah, if you believe in God then homosexuality is his fault. Unless we're genetically modified by Satan after having been created by God. In which case, as God created Satan and gave him the character flaw of evil, it's still Gods fault.

But yeah, mindless hate is more fun. ****ing f@ggots!
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