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Old 11-23-2006, 07:39 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Racism is a universal term, anyone has the power to discriminate, and any form of race discrimination, is racism.

It's that simple.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:39 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Look, I can go into google and type in racism and power and find just as many sources disagreeing with the sources you are posting.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:40 PM   #153 (permalink)
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All these things you're citing are merely other people's opinions.

Just because they're educated, doesn't mean their word is law.
But you, a person who isn't educated (in the subject and at least not to the level of these people) word is law?
Maybe it is opinion, but your opinion is not undisputed either.

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Racism is a universal term, anyone has the power to discriminate, and any form of race discrimination, is racism.

It's that simple.
See, that is where you are wrong. Not all forms of racial discrimination are racism, simply because those non-white do not exercise their discrimination with power behind them. We are talking about institutionalized racism.

By the way, hiu, if you can find me a source that says explicitly "racism does not need power behind it to differentiate from prejudice/discrimination" then I'll accpet your opinion. You just need to realize that because YOUR opinion is different from mine, doesn't make it any less undisputed.



Look, I even found ONE website that says "racism = prejudice + power is an inadequate definition" HOWEVER, it notes specifically.

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Granted, power is necessary for racism on an institutional level
Which is exactly what I have been saying.

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Old 11-23-2006, 07:45 PM   #154 (permalink)
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But you, a person who isn't educated (in the subject and at least not to the level of these people) word is law?
Maybe it is opinion, but your opinion is not undisputed either.


Not once did I state that my word is law. (At least not in this conversation)

I simply said that your sources are opinionated and not fact.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:46 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Personally, I think you're view on the subject is incredibly narrowminded. By saying only white's are able to be racist, you're downplaying the problem. Any person who acts or speaks in a violent and discriminatory nature to another person based on their race is racist, and is acting in a racist fashion. In a way, that argument is perpetuating the myth of white supremecy, by implying that only white people would have the power to antagonize another race. Racism can be expressed by anyone, and by confining it to one race it takes focus away from the real problem.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:48 PM   #156 (permalink)
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We are talking about institutionalized racism.

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What the hell is that?

I'm talking sheer racism, no frills, no small print, just plain as day racism. You know, the type people generally refer to as the proper meaning of "racism".
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:51 PM   #157 (permalink)
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The no frills racism, is institutionalized.

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Personally, I think you're view on the subject is incredibly narrowminded. By saying only white's are able to be racist, you're downplaying the problem. Any person who acts or speaks in a violent and discriminatory nature to another person based on their race is racist, and is acting in a racist fashion. In a way, that argument is perpetuating the myth of white supremecy, by implying that only white people would have the power to antagonize another race. Racism can be expressed by anyone, and by confining it to one race it takes focus away from the real problem.
The difference remains, prejudice is different from racism. Neither is more acceptable than the other and each is equally as hateful and should each not be tolerated. The difference is there though.




Also, hiu, when I mentioned in my last post that I found an article that disagrees with the "racism=prejudice + power" (by the way, the article was written by a Staff Writer at Calvin College, Carolyn Davids) I went to the Calvin College website, searched for other articles produced from that website about racism, and found one that was written explicitly as a response to her article.

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This article is in response to the one written by Carolyn Davids [Oct. 26] about the MSAB definition of racism as equaling `power + prejudice.' Davids said she agreed with the first part of the definition but had a problem with the second part. The main objective of this article is to show that not only did she contradict herself because the two parts of the definition actually say the same thing except using different words, but also that she simply misinterpreted the definition. Her appeals and claims that followed clearly displayed a lack of involvement and huge ignorance pertaining to the specifics of handling the problem of race relations here at Calvin.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:53 PM   #158 (permalink)
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The no frills racism, is institutionalized.



The difference remains, prejudice is different from racism. Neither is more acceptable than the other and each is equally as hateful and should each not be tolerated. The difference is there though.
yes, prejudice is discrimination of a person based on a number of factors that can include race, sex, age, religion etc. etc. racism is discrimination based EXCLUSIVELY on race.
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I don't know man, but this thread is for people who want to discuss it. If you don't have anything more thought out to say and/or don't care, don't post. No one is forcing you to.

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yes, prejudice is discrimination of a person based on a number of factors that can include race, sex, age, religion etc. etc. racism is discrimination based EXCLUSIVELY on race.
I realize that I should have been more clear and even said "racial prejudice" which REALLY is different from racism. They are equally hateful and unacceptable. Perpertrators should be held equally accountable. It's kind of like Embezzlement, and robbing a bank. Each is just as disgraceful as the other but differences between the two exist. No one says that a bank robber is more acceptable than an embezzler or visa versa, but they're different
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