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~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 07:27 PM

I'm pretty sure you know that by group they meant race.
What makes a dictionary any less of an opinionated source?

Someone wrote that definition. They just have no reasoning as to why they wrote it. (understandably as it is featured in a dictionary, not an article/opinion paper)

Merkaba · 11-23-2006, 07:30 PM

Two afghani's marooned on an island with 500 blacks and 5 white people, and the afghani's only racially attack the black people, this is not racism?

Someone throw me a bone here, because I'm pretty sure that is racism.

swim · 11-23-2006, 07:30 PM

The dictionary definition came first. I can't just go around saying I don't like the way the dictionary puts it so it's wrong.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry D. Crawford (Proffesor of Sociology, Moorehouse College)

Yet we practice the European model of a racial hierarchy. And, having adopted it, any value we believe we independently, consciously or not, attach to different complexions in our community is merely a pathetic imitation of its racist beliefs at the societal level. So, in this new age of consciousness raising it must be realized that we cannot embrace a color-based hierarchy among Afrikans without, at some level, accepting as truth a hierarchy of color among humans. There is no denying that the social organization of our community along lines of color precisely mimics the order fabricated by white supremacy. Black America (Afrikans) serves as a classic microcosm in white supremacy’s global macrocosm. The only appreciable difference is that we "discriminate" without power.

I'll try to cite and post as many of these as I can find, so that people can at least realize that it is not universally accepted that Prejudice=Racism and through the reading of other opinions they can form a better opinion for themselves, as it is hard to form a solid opinion when only one side of the story is being represented.

jibber · 11-23-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

I'm pretty sure you know that by group they meant race.
What makes a dictionary any less of an opinionated source?

Someone wrote that definition. They just have no reasoning as to why they wrote it. (understandably as it is featured in a dictionary, not an article/opinion paper)

when did i mention anything about the dictionary? I was merely pointing out that just because the paper you referenced was written by a university, it doesnt make it the be all and end all of the argument. And no, I didn't know that by group they mean race, and the entire article downplays the issue of race being the primary factor of racism, to give more credit to the argument that it is more about a power struggle. racism in its simplest and most basic definition is descrimination of a person because of their RACIAL BACKGROUND. the only reason power comes into play at all is because throughout history, racism has been widely accepted until relatively recently, giving the more industrial developed countries what they believed to be justification to exploit the people of less developed nations. It only so happened that the more industrial developed countries were the european nations.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by David T. Wellmen (Author of Portraits of White Racism)

Thus it is necessary to broaden the definition of racism beyond prejudice to include sentiments that in their consequence, if not in their intent, support the racial status quo.

Another, like I said, I am not just trying to barrade you guys with articles to prove that I am right, just showing you that there are other sides to the story.

Quote:

And no, I didn't know that by group they mean race

When you mentioned that you saw nothing that mentioned racism as RACE, I thought you were refering to the definition I posted immediatly before that. If you were in fact refering to the entire article that I linked, then I am lost as to how you saw it downplay the issue of race...

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 07:36 PM

All these things you're citing are merely other people's opinions.

Just because they're educated, doesn't mean their word is law.

~~hiu~~ · 11-23-2006, 07:37 PM

Look, this guy is just using the Marxist-ish theorem on power. Personally I disagree with the whole idea.

swim · 11-23-2006, 07:37 PM

Dude, that just said doing nothing to stop racial struggle is racist, common.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Definition of Racism, Women's Theological Center, Boston, MA

A situation in which one race maintains supremacy over another race through a set of attitudes, behaviors, social structures and ideologies. It involves four essential and interconnected elements:

Power: the capacity to make and enforce decisions is disproportionately or unfairly distributed

Resources: unequal access to such resources as money, education, information, etc.

Standards: standards for appropriate behavior are ethnocentric, reflecting and privileging the norms and values of the dominant race/society

Problem: involves defining "reality" by naming "the problem" incorrectly, and thus misplacing it.

Just another.

11-23-2006, 07:30 PM	#142 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	Two afghani's marooned on an island with 500 blacks and 5 white people, and the afghani's only racially attack the black people, this is not racism? Someone throw me a bone here, because I'm pretty sure that is racism. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

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swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	The dictionary definition came first. I can't just go around saying I don't like the way the dictionary puts it so it's wrong. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

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swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Dude, that just said doing nothing to stop racial struggle is racist, common. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

11-23-2006, 07:27 PM	#141 (permalink)
~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 44	I'm pretty sure you know that by group they meant race. What makes a dictionary any less of an opinionated source? Someone wrote that definition. They just have no reasoning as to why they wrote it. (understandably as it is featured in a dictionary, not an article/opinion paper)

11-23-2006, 07:36 PM	#147 (permalink)
_Spinning_ Inexplicably Back Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 830	All these things you're citing are merely other people's opinions. Just because they're educated, doesn't mean their word is law.

11-23-2006, 07:37 PM	#148 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	Look, this guy is just using the Marxist-ish theorem on power. Personally I disagree with the whole idea.