Cosmo Kramer makes an ass out of himself. (country, Europe)

DontRunMeOver · 11-24-2006, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

I'll say it again that White Europeans are the only group of people in this country who have not faced oppression of any sort.

Did the Irish not? Or the Italians? I don't know about this, but just from watching movies I'd gathered they've had pretty downtrodden times in the past. Or do you mean they 'do not', in that they are not oppressed at the moment?

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I'm not making sh*t up when I say that the definition of racism implies power, and I have read on these topics more than I could possibly describe. I'm guessing that people like you, RAR, haven't read about this, and are confusing prejudice with racism.

That's when the guy uses the 'simplest definition' of racism as prejudice plus power and concludes that if you use this simple definition only whites in the US can be racist because only whites have power. That in itself is flawed because he doesn't define what he means by power. Would he say that the Black owners of hip-hop labels have no power? Would he say that basketball players commanding huge salaries have no power?

Even if you just work from that 'simplest definition' I could accept a conclusion that whites have more power and therefore are in a position to exert more racism (again, in its simplest defition) but even then it just wouldn't work the way he said because power is not in reality a case of those who have all and those who have none. Power is a sliding scale, with those who have more and those who have less and all to different extents and even then the power manifests itself in different ways.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:25 PM

Kevin Bloody Wilson is a classic example.

He writes songs about "Abo's" etc and everyone loves the fool.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:27 PM

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Just because he spoke about "Black people" he gets in the ass.

He didn't speak about black people. He humiliated two black people using lynching as a justification for why they shouldn't interrupt him. Also, redneck is not a race of people, black is. There is a difference.

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And it wasn't so long ago I saw a black comedian making jokes about all arabs being terrorists

That is classic prejudice bred from ignorance. If he had singled out two Arabs in his audience and baraded them with insults and was a public figure who is recognizable and well liked, just as big a fuss would have been made about it.

Merkaba · 11-23-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

What is it with New Zelanders thinking they have any idea what racism in America is like?
The reason you think that way is because you are white (most likely, unless you fall in that 14% indigenous peoples or 6% asian descent) you really wouldn't have to worry about being harrassed. Not only that, but even IF you were to be harrassed, none of the harrassment would strike a cord since you nor your people have ever been oppressed or had racism used against them.

What is it with you thinking we don't know what it's like?

Our "indiginous" people are mostly black and they follow the same idealisms of black americans. Their culture is huge in our country, we even split our national anthem into two versions.

Racism is not an America only thing, you're not any further up the road to understanding it then we are.

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

That is classic prejudice bred from ignorance.

Woohoo thank you for saying this. What difference does singling out have as opposed to talking in general? It's still the same thing. There is no difference between what that black guy said on stage to a live audience than if he had said it specifically to someone. It's still labelling a group derogatorily. Again, these double standards are bull.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:29 PM

Read above post about "Abo's"

I honestly don't see what the big issue is.

If you can't take being harassed, don't go to see Stand-up.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:32 PM

What is it with New Zelanders thinking they have any idea what racism in America is like?
The reason you think that way is because you are white (most likely, unless you fall in that 14% indigenous peoples or 6% asian descent) you really wouldn't have to worry about being harrassed. Not only that, but even IF you were to be harrassed, none of the harrassment would strike a cord since you nor your people have ever been oppressed or had racism used against them.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

What is it with New Zelanders thinking they have any idea what racism in America is like?
The reason you think that way is because you are white (most likely, unless you fall in that 14% indigenous peoples or 6% asian descent) you really wouldn't have to worry about being harrassed. Not only that, but even IF you were to be harrassed, none of the harrassment would strike a cord since you nor your people have ever been oppressed or had racism used against them.

New Zealand is similar in the way that we have a race breakdown close to yours.

The White people weren't here first. The native Maori of the country were persecuted etc etc etc.

I don't think I know everything about Racism in America. Not once did I say that. I just can't get over how over-analytical your society is.

It was a fucking joke. Get over it.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:36 PM

Religion =/= race, what is your point again?
What does cracker mean? What MAKES it racist?

The reason ****** is a hurtful word is because of the time period it went along with.
People don't get worked up over words that mean nothing.

I would say that you're logic is stupid, but you really don't have any.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 05:38 PM

Did you watch the video? It wasn't a joke.
Harrassing audience members is not a joke and harrassing them because of their race certainly is not a joke.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 05:39 PM

It's called Heckling.

Google it.

It's real.

11-23-2006, 05:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
_Spinning_ Inexplicably Back Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 819	Kevin Bloody Wilson is a classic example. He writes songs about "Abo's" etc and everyone loves the fool.

11-23-2006, 05:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
_Spinning_ Inexplicably Back Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 819	Read above post about "Abo's" I honestly don't see what the big issue is. If you can't take being harassed, don't go to see Stand-up.

11-23-2006, 05:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 44	What is it with New Zelanders thinking they have any idea what racism in America is like? The reason you think that way is because you are white (most likely, unless you fall in that 14% indigenous peoples or 6% asian descent) you really wouldn't have to worry about being harrassed. Not only that, but even IF you were to be harrassed, none of the harrassment would strike a cord since you nor your people have ever been oppressed or had racism used against them.

11-23-2006, 05:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 44	Religion =/= race, what is your point again? What does cracker mean? What MAKES it racist? The reason ****** is a hurtful word is because of the time period it went along with. People don't get worked up over words that mean nothing. I would say that you're logic is stupid, but you really don't have any.

11-23-2006, 05:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 44	Did you watch the video? It wasn't a joke. Harrassing audience members is not a joke and harrassing them because of their race certainly is not a joke.

11-23-2006, 05:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
_Spinning_ Inexplicably Back Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 819	It's called Heckling. Google it. It's real.